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As of October, FBI To Allow Warrantless Investigations
Slashdot ^ | 8/22/8 | timothy

Posted on 08/23/2008 9:47:06 AM PDT by Clint Williams

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes

"Attorney General Michael Mukasey has agreed to allow Congressional hearings, but not to delay, the implementation of new FBI regulations that would allow them to spy on American citizens who are not suspected of any crime. As an editorial in the New York Times points out, this is a power that has a history of abuse. In times past, it was used to wiretap Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. and to spy on other civil rights and anti-war protesters."

As Dekortage points out, "Several senators have formally complained that citizens could be investigated 'without any basis for suspicion,' which the Justice Department denies."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; donutwatch; fourthamendment; privacy
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Waiting for the "I Have Nothing To Hide" crowd.
1 posted on 08/23/2008 9:47:06 AM PDT by Clint Williams
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To: Clint Williams

Are the Feds getting nervous that they won’t be invited to the Tea Party?


2 posted on 08/23/2008 9:52:46 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: Clint Williams

Any anti-War Nazi should be spied on and sent out of the country, to the country they are supporting, as they help kill Americans.


3 posted on 08/23/2008 9:52:50 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Clint Williams
Isn't there a document somewhere called the “Constitution” where it spells out that this kind of thing is illegal? Oops! Sorry. Silly me. We stopped following that document years ago.
4 posted on 08/23/2008 9:54:20 AM PDT by LiberConservative ("Typical" white guy)
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To: B4Ranch
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the rules, said factors that could trigger an inquiry would include

travel to regions of the world known for terrorist activity and access to weapons or military training, along with the person's race or ethnicity.

5 posted on 08/23/2008 9:57:10 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: Clint Williams

I think on the whole Mukasey has been doing an excellent job at the Justice Department—the first AG since Bush took office about whom that can be said. Ashcroft was a good guy, but allowed himself to be intimidated by the press and recused himself at several key moments, with disastrous results.

What bothers me about this is that you really can’t trust the FBI. They are full of clintonoids, and they have a record of abusive behavior.


6 posted on 08/23/2008 9:57:26 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: LiberConservative

Many, many years ago.


7 posted on 08/23/2008 9:58:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you"--John Steinbeck)
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To: Clint Williams

“Waiting for the “I Have Nothing To Hide” crowd.”

Yo!

People always talk about the wiretapping of King as though it were the worst abuse in human history. King was a man of bad character and extensive ties with communists who was in a position to bring about widespread social disorder — which, in fact, did ensue from his movement. It would have been criminally negligent not to keep an eye on him.


8 posted on 08/23/2008 10:00:08 AM PDT by dsc
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“Waiting for the “I Have Nothing To Hide” crowd.”

Yo!

People always talk about the wiretapping of King as though it were the worst abuse in human history. King was a man of bad character and extensive ties with communists who was in a position to bring about widespread social disorder — which, in fact, did ensue from his movement. It would have been criminally negligent not to keep an eye on him.


9 posted on 08/23/2008 10:00:13 AM PDT by dsc
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To: B4Ranch

“access to weapons or military training, along with the person’s race or ethnicity. “

So we know that the arab’s won’t be the ones tracked. White, bitter, bible carrying folks who have read the Constitution are probably on top of the list.


10 posted on 08/23/2008 10:01:15 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption has not changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: LiberConservative

“Isn’t there a document somewhere called the “Constitution” where it spells out that this kind of thing is illegal? Oops! Sorry. Silly me. We stopped following that document years ago. “

There is a document called the Constitution, but it is not a suicide pact, and nowhere does it forbid us from keeping a weather eye out for enemies.


11 posted on 08/23/2008 10:03:12 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

Except the wiretapping was illegal - along with many other activities under COINTELPRO.


12 posted on 08/23/2008 10:06:21 AM PDT by karnage
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To: B4Ranch
Also:

The plan “might permit an innocent American to be subjected to such intrusive surveillance based in part on race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, or on protected First Amendment activities,” the letter said. It was signed by Russ Feingold of Wisconsin, Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.

It sounds like these rules are specifically crafted to help the Feds root out the enemy within, which is a good thing. Individuals from hostile nations, adherents to seditious anti-American ideologies, and non-citizens absolutely deserve a higher level of scrutiny than the squeaky-clean native-born white guy next door.

However, the devil is in the details and I am wary of giving them even more powers that can be used against ordinary, innocent Americans. Especially because the government tends to operate in a politically correct manner no matter what the rules are.

13 posted on 08/23/2008 10:07:17 AM PDT by bornred
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To: Clint Williams; Congressman Billybob; holdonnow

Since when does an agency of the Executive Branch have the authority to regulate itself new Constitutional powers?

There should be a huge outcry over this.


14 posted on 08/23/2008 10:07:37 AM PDT by sauropod (What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: Clint Williams
"Several senators have formally complained that citizens could be investigated 'without any basis for suspicion,'...

Heh!

Sure, when things get boring in the justice department, randomly pulling a rabbit out of a hat makes for a fulfilling day.

Now to go wash my tin foil suit for another day of use as Rome burns.

15 posted on 08/23/2008 10:08:25 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: B4Ranch

This is complete bull$hit!

Quite a few people in this country w/ valid security clearances have had “access to weapons or military training.”


16 posted on 08/23/2008 10:09:23 AM PDT by sauropod (What do Osama and Obama have in common? They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: Clint Williams

Let’s see.

The gov’t finds after listening in on me, that I might be doing something illegal.

They backdate a warrant, and present it as evidence that they have been investigating me for it all along.

Yep...the lady’s time might be coming soon.


17 posted on 08/23/2008 10:09:23 AM PDT by Weya (Barack Hussein Obama hates the United States of America. No question about it.)
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To: B4Ranch
...travel to regions of the world known for terrorist activity and access to weapons or military training, along with the person's race or ethnicity.

Thanks to the US Navy, I have traveled to regions of the world known for terrorist activity and had access to military training. So it looks like just about all veterans are on the hook for these reasons alone.

And all us "bitter clingers" who have guns...

BTW, everyone has "race or ethnicity" so that covers everyone left over.

18 posted on 08/23/2008 10:09:32 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Blaming CO2 for global warming is like blaming your thermometer for your kid's fever.)
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To: LiberConservative

“Isn’t there a document somewhere called the “Constitution” where it spells out that this kind of thing is illegal? Oops! Sorry. Silly me. We stopped following that document years ago. “

There is a document called the Constitution, but it is not a suicide pact, and nowhere does it forbid us from keeping a weather eye out for enemies.


19 posted on 08/23/2008 10:09:35 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

I am afraid this is a lost cause, my friend. Even so-called “conservatives” hail MLK as a hero these days. And if you don’t agree with them you are branded a racist.


20 posted on 08/23/2008 10:11:27 AM PDT by bornred
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