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NATO warship passages through Turkish straits raise eyebrows
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Posted on 08/22/2008 12:55:09 AM PDT by maquiladora
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To: Lasha
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posted on
08/22/2008 1:03:43 AM PDT
by
MarMema
(Georgia has stood for freedom around the world -- now the world must stand for freedom in Georgia.)
To: maquiladora
NATO warship passages through Turkish straits raise eyebrows It was Kaine's and it was only just his left.
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posted on
08/22/2008 1:36:53 AM PDT
by
edpc
(@#&!*$)
To: maquiladora
In late 1945 Stalin tried to get Turkey to block passage through the Bosporus to all states that do not border the black sea. When Turkey refused the Soviets made claims to Ardahan and Kars, two regions of Turkey that had been ruled by the Russian Empire from the early 19th century to 1917 and provided support to communist guerrilla organizations inside Turkey.
Truman sent a cruiser through the Bosporus in 1945 and provided Greece and Turkey with $400 million in military aid in 1947.
This is how Cold War I began.
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posted on
08/22/2008 2:28:46 AM PDT
by
InABunkerUnderSF
("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
To: MarMema
Thank you for the “ping”:)
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posted on
08/22/2008 2:29:43 AM PDT
by
Lasha
To: maquiladora
The German Lubeck is the last Bremen Class Frigate commissioned. The backbone of the German Navy. Lots of interesting armament according to Wikipedia.
Armament:
1 8 cell launch system
16 Sea Sparrow surface to air missiles
2 MK 49 launcher, 21 RAM each
2 quadruple Harpoon anti-ship missile launchers
1 OTO-Melara 76 mm dual-purpose gun
2 Rheinmetall Rh202 20 mm autocannons, will be replaced with Mauser MLG27 27 mm autocannons.
2 Mark 32 324 mm twin torpedo launchers, 8 DM4A1 or Mark 46 torpedo
To: justa-hairyape
The Spanish ship appears to be the Frigate Almirante Juan de Borbón (F102). Interesting armament from Wikipedia.
Armament:
1 × 5-inch/54 Mk45 Mod 2 gun
2 × CIWS FABA 20mm/120 Meroka gun
6 × Mk41 8-cell VLS
SAM: 32 × Standard SM-2 Block IIIA
SAM: 64 × RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile
SSM: 8 × McDonnell Douglas RGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile
ASW: 4 × 324 mm Mk32 Mod 9 triple Torpedo launchers with 12 Honeywell Mk46 mod 5 Torpedo
To: justa-hairyape
Here is the Polish Ship Pulaski. Image from Wikipedia.
To: justa-hairyape
The Pulaski is a Oliver Hazard Perry class guided-missile frigate. Armament from Wikipedia.
Armament:
2 × double tube Anti-Submarine Torpedo mounts
1 × 76 mm (3.0 in) Rapid Fire Dual Purpose Gun
1 × Vulcan Phalanx system
1 × Guided missile launching system with Standard Surface-to-Air Missiles
Harpoon Surface-to-Surface Missiles
To: justa-hairyape
Image of German Lubeck from Wikipedia
To: justa-hairyape
Image of the Spanish Juan de Bourbon from Wikipedia
To: maquiladora
The move is not linked to the tensions over Russia's invasion of GeorgiaThis statement is bizarre and also obviously false.
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posted on
08/22/2008 4:32:08 AM PDT
by
Rudder
To: Rudder
This statement is bizarre and also obviously false. It's a multi-nation naval excercise that was known about in public months before Russia invaded Georgia, to those that follow naval news/blogs. Not a thing bizarre of fake about it.
To: maquiladora
Maybe it was not linked to tensions over Russia, but it is now.
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posted on
08/22/2008 4:57:34 AM PDT
by
Rudder
To: maquiladora
"The USS McFall is under way now, having taken on humanitarian supplies for the people of Georgia," the spokesman said.How much tonnage of humanitarian aid can you carry on a tin can? A bag of Doritos and a six-pack?
To: GOP_Party_Animal

"The USS McFall is under way now" Media morons... It's McFaul.... From Wiki: General characteristics Class and type: Arleigh Burke class destroyer Displacement: Light: approx. 6,783 tons Full: approx. 8,915 tons Length: 505 ft (154 m) Beam: 66 ft (20 m) Draft: 31 ft (9.4 m) Propulsion: 4 General Electric LM2500-30 gas turbines, two shafts, 100,000 total shaft horsepower (75 MW) Speed: 30+ knots (56+ km/h) Range: 4,400 nautical miles at 20 knots (8,100 km at 37 km/h) Complement: 23 Officers 24 Chief Petty Officers 291 Enlisted Personnel Sensors and processing systems: AN/SPY-1D Radar AN/SPS-67(V)2 Surface Search Radar AN/SPS-64(V)9 Surface Search Radar AN/SQS-53C Sonar Array AN/SQR-19 Tactical Towed Array Sonar AN/SQQ-28 LAMPS III Shipboard System Electronic warfare and decoys: AN/SLQ-32(V)2 Electronic Warfare System AN/SLQ-25 Nixie Torpedo Countermeasures MK 36 MOD 12 Decoy Launching System AN/SLQ-39 CHAFF Buoys Armament: 1 × 29 cell, 1 × 61 cell Mk 41 vertical launch systems with 90 × RIM-66 SM-2, BGM-109 Tomahawk or RUM-139 VL-Asroc missiles 1 × Mark 45 5/54 in (127/54 mm) 2 × 25 mm chain gun 4 × .50 caliber (12.7 mm) guns 2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS 2 × Mk 32 triple torpedo tubes Aircraft carried: Cannot embark rotary wing aircraft, but is equipped with a flight deck that allows a single SH-60 Seahawk helicopter to conduct underway replenishment. Motto: Courage, Honor, Sacrifice
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posted on
08/22/2008 5:55:59 AM PDT
by
tcrlaf
(Beware Of False Prophets/ME-ssiahs Selling Hopium....)
To: maquiladora
As to the humanitarian aspect of the mission: Is it possible to send an LHA/LHD through the straits into the Black Sea? I’m sure the Russians would get their panties in a twist if a ARG were to sail into the Black Sea, but is their any treaty that would prevent transit?
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posted on
08/22/2008 6:00:35 AM PDT
by
Tallguy
("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
To: InABunkerUnderSF
Yes it is. This is what we have been talking about for MONTHS, predicting this.
It’s happening and I can’t understand why people are refusing to believe what they see. Most don’t know history, and far more do not care.
WAY too many believe that “it can’t happen here” and apply that thinking to everything, including this war.
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posted on
08/22/2008 9:07:33 AM PDT
by
Rick.Donaldson
(http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for latest on Russia/China/DPRK et al.)
To: GOP_Party_Animal
How much tonnage of humanitarian aid can you carry on a tin can? That destroyer has at least 2 fully equipped surgical suites equipped as Trauma Centers, can produce over 100,000 galloons of fresh water a day, and a mess hall that can churn out over 1500 meals a day.
And right about now I'd classify those AEGIS systems as 'humanitarian aid'. But that's just me.
L
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posted on
08/22/2008 9:15:59 AM PDT
by
Lurker
(Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR to get them within throat-cutting range.)
To: Rick.Donaldson
Cold War I was long, grinding, expensive frightening, occasionally bloody and anything but glorious and decisive. Nobody wants to go through that again.
A lot of people, including otherwise intelligent people on this site, are in denial and just don’t seem to want to admit that we don’t have any choice in the matter. We are in a cold war and we will either win it or we will loose it.
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posted on
08/22/2008 11:34:47 AM PDT
by
InABunkerUnderSF
("Gun Control" is not about the guns. "Illegal Immigration" is not about the immigration)
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