Posted on 08/21/2008 6:29:23 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
Believe all you want. There’s no crime in believing that you need 3 wives to make it to heaven. You can even believe that the younger the wives, the better.
But don’t have sex with a minor girl and don’t barter your daughters so that other men can do so. Do not conspire with others to arrange for the sex.
When does teaching become illegal? Possibly when you teach your children that they can get to be closer to Allah in heaven if they kill infidels. Possibly when you teach little girls that marriage at 12 is following the will of the prophet and you god and more than likely when you start training them for their role in a “spiritual marriage.”
Most likely the line is crossed when you conspire with others to teach your children these things.
Why are you repeating this lie?
Texas law does not allow men to engage in fornication, adultery, bigamy or polygamy with 15 year old girls. "Marriage," under our Defense of Marriage Act and the Amendment to the Texas Constitution that was passed by more than 70% (I believe 72% or 75%) defines marriage as one man, one woman.
Why are you repeating this lie?
Texas law does not allow men to engage in fornication, adultery, bigamy or polygamy with 15 year old girls. "Marriage," under our Defense of Marriage Act and the Amendment to the Texas Constitution that was passed by more than 70% (I believe 72% or 75%) defines marriage as one man, one woman.
You didn't even contradict what I said, except to call me a liar. You know that it is the truth that it was perfectly legal to marry a 15 year old in Texas.
Huh? I am an Atheist. Do you need more Paxil?
But don’t have sex with a minor girl and don’t barter your daughters so that other men can do so. Do not conspire with others to arrange for the sex.
You are one sick pedophile do you know that? At what age did you discover your sickness?
When does teaching become illegal? Possibly when you teach your children that they can get to be closer to Allah in heaven if they kill infidels. Possibly when you teach little girls that marriage at 12 is following the will of the prophet and you god and more than likely when you start training them for their role in a “spiritual marriage.”
How about when you teach that your God's mother was a child herself?
Most likely the line is crossed when you conspire with others to teach your children these things.
RICO statutes maybe? LOL Then we should be able to arrest all those Creationists and half the posters on FreeRepublic. Hmm, maybe you should double your dosage today?
“I think you are slandering the FLDS by comparing them to our Congress”
Or the Senate.
“Nah, they believe in honoring, obeying, and sustaining the law. “
Your choice of tense has left me unsure who we are talking about.
Those Missouri Mormons back during the Boggs incident,
or the FLDS, or present day Mormons.
“You know that it is the truth that it was perfectly legal to marry a 15 year old in Texas. “
Again, your choice of tense is confusing.
It was perfectly legal to hang people in the public square.
It isn’t now.
Those Missouri Mormons back during the Boggs incident, or the FLDS, or present day Mormons.
Mormons present and past.
It isn’t now.
Yes, and your point is what?
I wasn’t using the royal “you.” It was the general, colloquial, conversational “you.”
As to my belief that Jesus is the Son of God, born of a virgin named Mary:
There is quite a bit of difference between Mary’s personal decision to submit her will to the Creator of the universe, and the flds community’s teaching girls that the prophet will give them in marriage and sometimes forcing those marriages. The daughter swaps are even farther removed from self-giving and self-submission.
BTW, I grew up Baptist, we didn’t focus so much on the age of Mary, just her faith and willingness serve the Lord. Now that I give the matter some thought, I assume that the actual “I AM,” the Creator and Sustainer of the universe knew how old she was, when she was ready to become the mother of Jesus, and that was that.
I do believe that the Creator gave us free will, the faculty to choose between right and wrong. It’s right to “self” sacrifice for the others He created. “Sacrifice” should always be preceded by “self.”
I’ve never met an atheist who can consistently agree to the existence of “free will” or why he or anyone could believe in right and wrong, or truth, beauty or justice, much less love, as anything but mechanical survival techniques.
“Love,” “beauty,” “truth,” and “justice” are some of the reasons I believe in the Creator who loved us so much that He became Emmanuel.
There are a lot of inconvenient issues that the Baptists don't focus on : )
I’ve never met an atheist who can consistently agree to the existence of “free will” or why he or anyone could believe in right and wrong, or truth, beauty or justice, much less love, as anything but mechanical survival techniques.
Then you haven't met many atheists : ( Check out the Prisoners Dilemma and Heisenbergs uncertainty principle.
The uncertainty principle is at least mechanical.
Schroedinger’s cat morality, truth, justice, beauty? Love?
I never said it was, but I bet it wasn't illegal until the Feds passed a law against it.
Now that Gay marriages are becoming more common how long do you think it will be before bygamy is legal once again?
But it isn't determinant, hence free will. It also argues against an omniscient God.
Schroedinger’s cat morality, truth, justice, beauty? Love?
No but the uncertainty principle can definitely produce beauty. Look to the Prisoners Dilemma for morality, truth and justice. Schroedingers's cat was his argument against the Copenhagen Convention.
I know that character counts more than physical attractiveness but jeez louise...
Then again what kind of character would a 14 year old girl have had developed.
They have criminal indictments; nothing unconstitutional.
Children aren’t capable of discerning what is in their best interest.
Romans 13:1 would be a very beneficial scripture for you to read
The Creator of the universe is necessarily super-natural or outside of nature. (While it should have been obvious to me, I learned this logic reading “Miracles,” by C. S. Lewis. I highly recommend it.)
As for our Cat, he’s either alive or dead. We humans just don’t have fine enough instruments to measure his status (yet). You just have to think in bigger numbers.
Altruism and conscience are discussed as physiological and evolutionary tools all the time in the scientific literature, in order to prove that there’s no such thing as free will.
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