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Lower Court uses Heller Decision to uphold BATFE ban on imported weapons
nationalgunrights.org ^ | 7/24/2008 | NA

Posted on 08/21/2008 1:33:43 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: wardaddy
did Bush do anything to clean up the ATF?

No, and don't expect McCain to do anything either.

61 posted on 08/21/2008 10:15:32 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: OldCorps

oh I don’t.

ain’t but one thing gonna clean up that sorta problem

a hard rain gonna fall one day

or folks just may roll over


62 posted on 08/21/2008 10:20:36 PM PDT by wardaddy (SAVE A TREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........................EAT A BEAVER.)
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To: wardaddy
did Bush do anything to clean up the ATF?

Not that I'm aware of. This is the last that I read.

GOA Blasts Michael Sullivan As "Unfit for Office" -- Acting BATFE Chief shows himself to be as anti-gun as Ted Kennedy

63 posted on 08/21/2008 10:27:00 PM PDT by neverdem (I'm praying for a Divine Intervention.)
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To: neverdem
This much we do know: the Heller Decision is far from a victory for gun owners. It is already being used successfully to infringe upon the rights of gun owners across the county.

Lower courts make all sorts of "interpretations" of "fresh" Supreme Court cases. The Real Test is what the appeals court or the Supreme Court itself will do.

64 posted on 08/21/2008 10:40:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: wardaddy

a hard rain gonna fall one day

The ATF is the worst among a bunch of out of control gubmint agencies. They should be disbanded, and most of their JBTs sent to jail.

65 posted on 08/21/2008 10:44:25 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: neverdem

Should have argued that the BATFE had no statutory authority granted to it by the Constitution as their very existence violates Art 6 para 2, Amd 2, and Amd 10.


66 posted on 08/22/2008 6:09:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Weya
"Now I would NEVER advocate someone break the law, but wouldn’t it be interesting if the revolution was fought guerilla style like that?"

Oh boy, Liz Michael is not going to like that one bit.

67 posted on 08/22/2008 7:29:15 AM PDT by An Old Man ("The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they suppress." Douglas)
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To: Weya; Travis McGee

along the same lines but a bit different and written by TM

http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/


68 posted on 08/22/2008 7:45:53 AM PDT by wardaddy (SAVE A TREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........................EAT A BEAVER.)
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To: An Old Man

She wouldn’t? Why? I just read her page...again. seems like she and I are theoretically in agreement.

She doesn’t advocate violence, nor do I.

She states that it will happen. I state that it will be interesting of it does.


69 posted on 08/22/2008 8:10:19 AM PDT by Weya (Barack Hussein Obama hates the United States of America. No question about it.)
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To: wardaddy

Added to my “wish list”.


70 posted on 08/22/2008 8:12:48 AM PDT by Weya (Barack Hussein Obama hates the United States of America. No question about it.)
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To: Weya

read a couple chapter on line and itll be a done deal...did fer me...


71 posted on 08/22/2008 10:25:50 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 ("Jesus 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: budwiesest
To think an ammendment so simply worded could be misinterpreted by so many suggests we have a problem.

The problem is purposeful misinterpretation, as in "that view is inconvenient to the idea of the Vanguard of the Proletariat leading the masses to a Socialist utopia."

Still, we're headed in the right direction and in a generation or two, we may be able to shoot back in life threatening situations outside our homes.

Sooner than that - many states have adopted the "Castle Doctrine" and even expanded it to other places that are similar to a home, like your car. Come to Texas, and if someone is legitimately threatening you then you can safely (from a legal perspective) end the threat on a permanent basis anywhere except in a very few places (where, even here, we aren't "allowed" to carry).

Historians will look back and wonder why we didn't exercise our right sooner.

Fear. That and really crappy judges and a bunch of authoritarian, paternalistic officials who weren't stopped by the populace (i.e. it all goes back to fear, or Kim DuToit's "Pussification of the Western Male").

72 posted on 08/25/2008 7:34:47 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (An ex-citizen of the Frederation dedicated to stopping the Obomination from becoming President)
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To: mvpel

I noticed that Miller speaks to militarily useful weaponry, whereas the GCA speaks of hunting weaponry. So by one standard we can’t have firearms not suitable for hunting protected, and by another we can’t have firearms not suitable for the military to use. I guess this leaves us a few single shot 22’s. Oh wait, you say the Resistance in Nazi Occupied Europe...


73 posted on 08/25/2008 9:41:23 PM PDT by Apogee
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To: Apogee

Well, the GCA was based on the Nazi Weapons Law, so that particular piece of Congressional excrement has a big target on its back in the wake of Miller and Heller.


74 posted on 08/26/2008 4:44:56 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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