Posted on 08/20/2008 3:23:19 PM PDT by kronos77
BUCHAREST, Aug. 20 (Xinhua) -- What happened with Kosovo foreshadows a similar direction in South Ossetia, the visiting Romanian President Traian Basescu said on Wednesday in Chisinau.
"At present, sovereign and independent countries are dismantled in the name of collective rights of the minorities," Basescu said when talking with his Moldovan counterpart Vladimir Voronin.
"This is what happened with Kosovo and Serbia lost a part of its territory, and the things foreshadow a similar direction in South Ossetia and, should I dare say it, in Abkhazia," the Romanian president stressed.
"You know that Romania is among the countries that did not recognize Kosovo, considering that the decision of setting up a state on the soil of another sovereign and independent state runs counter to the laws of an international right, runs counter to the principle of territorial integrity and inviolability of state borders," said Basescu.
"No kind of right can prevail upon the one of the national integrity, sovereignty and inviolability of state borders of an independent state," Basescu said, stressing that Romania is an unreserved supporter of the integrity and sovereignty of the Republic of Moldova.
In the context of the frozen conflicts in the area of the BlackSera, the two heads of state examined the situation of the conflict in Moldova's Transdniestr, concluding that "this conflict perfectly matches to what happened in Kosovo, to what happened in South Ossetia."
Basescu emphasized that the situation in South Ossetia is a proof of the fact that these frozen conflicts do not have a correct tension defusing mechanism.
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One smart and brave president!
So, do you condemn Russia for attacking Georgia when they tried to retain South Ossetia the way you condemned Nato for attacking Serbia when they were trying to retain Kosovo? Or is your morality situational?
Kosovo and Ossetia are completely different situations. Here are some examples:
1) Kosovo wanted independence. Russia has never sought independence for Ossetia. Russia wants to absorb Southern Ossetia, with what appears now to be the ultimate goal of absorbing all of Georgia.
2) Kosovo was legally part of Yugoslavia but not of Serbia. Southern Ossetia is legally a part of Georgia.
3) The six former constituent republics of Yugoslavia, which all exercised their pre-existing constitutional right to secede from rule by Belgrade, are seated as members of the United Nations, as, indeed, is Georgia. Twenty out of 27 states of the European Union have also recognized the government of Kosovo as an entity de jure as well as de facto. No one, not even Russia recognizes South Ossetia as an independent nation.
and it goes on....
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Kosovo is still legally part of Serbia. Check UN resolution 1244.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 authorised an international civil and military presence in Kosovo, then part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, placing it under interim UN administration. It was adopted on 10 June 1999. Both sides in the conflict subsequently adopted it in the Kumanovo Treaty.
Yugoslavia isn’t the same as Serbia.
I think if I was to be put in charge of the affairs of state of a newly-independent nation, the first nation's diplomatic recognition I'd want would be Switzerland's.
Second would be Romania's.
Kosovo and Ossetia are completely different situations. Here are some examples:
1) Kosovo wanted independence. Russia has never sought independence for Ossetia. Russia wants to absorb Southern Ossetia, with what appears now to be the ultimate goal of absorbing all of Georgia.
2) Kosovo was legally part of Yugoslavia but not of Serbia. Southern Ossetia is legally a part of Georgia.
3) The six former constituent republics of Yugoslavia, which all exercised their pre-existing constitutional right to secede from rule by Belgrade, are seated as members of the United Nations, as, indeed, is Georgia...
1) The South Ossetians have voted overwhelming for independence. Do some research. You can look it up.
2)Kosovo is a province in Serbia, sovereign Serbian territory. Check UN resolution 1244.
South Ossetia was an autonomous region within georgia. When Georgia broke away from the soviet Union, South Ossetia broke away from Georgia.
3) This is funny. Can you even name the six former republics?
Everyone is a hypocrite, and the Georgian people are the ones suffering for it.
<2)Kosovo is a province in Serbia, sovereign Serbian territory. Check UN resolution 1244.
UN Resolution 1244 made Kosovo a part of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, not Serbia. Look it up!
South Ossetia was an autonomous region within georgia. When Georgia broke away from the soviet Union...
And now Russia wants to make it part of Russia. Russia doesn't want to give it independence.
3) This is funny. Can you even name the six former republics?
The six constituent republics that were pulled together to form Yugoslavia in 1946 were:
Slovenia, Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Macedonia
OK, so when did Serbia exercise it's "pre-existing constitutional right" to secede from rule by Belgrade?
This is the constitution imposed by the communist dictator Tito, right?
Hungry would love to get that land back. I think that many of the Hungarians have been Romanianized though.
Kosovo is not one of them so you just killed your own argument.
You are way, way over your head.
What we have here is yet another casualty of ignorance.
Polly want a cracker?
How embarrassing.
Flyfree, here’s a thought experiment for you. In 5-10 years, Latinos will be the absolute majority throughout the Southwest, at which point they angrily cite the US invasion and annexation of the Mexican War to declare their own sovereignty. However, rather than “returning the region to Mexico,” they proclaim a new nation independent of both the USA and Mexico— the Republic of Aztlan.
(To be perfectly honest, from the standpoint of economic survival it might actually be a good thing for the Southwest to leave as Aztlan, since at least that way, the budding Third World region of the Southwest would stop being such an utter parasite on the resources generated by the rest of the country.)
The Lakota Sioux then follow and formally secede their territory in the Dakotas, while the Hawaiians do the same on the islands. Soon it’s the Alaskan Aleuts following suit on the same grounds, followed by Florida, Guam and Vermont, and finally by majority-Arab Michiganistan in the Upper Midwest. Simultaneous separatist movements break out and explode in England (Scotland having already left the UK), with Northern Ireland leaving and then northern England, by now predominantly South Asian Muslim, leaving as “Englandistan” while “Londonistan” does the same in the southeast. In Australia, the Aborigines do the same, while predominantly SE Asian Muslim Sydney and Melbourne secede to become “Australastan.”
You see, flyfree, Kosovo set an extremely dangerous precedent that is already boomeranging on the US, United Kingdom and Australia. While some such movements may be ostensibly more justifiable than others (e.g. in the case of the indigenous peoples), many others involve relatively recent migrations, especially by Muslims.
This is exactly what happened in Kosovo, historically the heart of Serbia and the site of the Serbs’ stand against the Turks in 1389 that saved Europe. However, after World War II, Muslim Albanians flooded into Kosovo with an extremely high level of illegal immigration and high birth rates, at which point the KLA began to attack Serb civilians and police, then claim “atrocities” when the Serbs, naturally, fought back against the criminals. Both the Clinton and Bush Administrations were stupid enough to listen to them. And now, the effects are coming back to bite us as well. Based on the Kosovo precedent— which is now an established aspect of US policy— you can basically kiss the Aztlan goodbye. Followed by Hawaii, the Dakotas... you get the picture.
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