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America Must Choose Between Georgia and Russia
wsj ^ | SERGEY LAVROV foreign minister of the Russian Federation

Posted on 08/19/2008 8:51:07 PM PDT by flyfree

In some Western nations an utterly one-sided picture has been painted of the recent crisis in the Georgia-South Ossetia conflict. The statements of American officials would lead one to conclude that the crisis began when Russia sent in its troops to support its peacekeepers there.

Meticulously avoided in those statements: The decision of Tbilisi to use crude military force against South Ossetia in the early hours of Aug. 8. The Georgian army used multiple rocket launchers, artillery and air force to attack the sleeping city of Tskhinvali.

Some honest independent observers acknowledge that a surprised Russia didn't respond immediately. We started moving our troops in support of peacekeepers only on the second day of Georgia's ruthless military assault. Yes, our military struck sites outside of South Ossetia. When the positions of your peacekeepers and the civilian population they have been mandated to protect are shelled, the sources of such attacks are legitimate targets.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: caucasus; geopolitics; georgia; russia; southossetia; war
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To: wardaddy
What does Eff Them mean Tiger’s Eye. It’s just angry talk. If you want troops on the ground against Russia over Georgia then you want nuke duel.

I didn't say that. Neither did anyone else. Lurker gave you an excellent answer but you turned right around and reiterated your irrational hyperbole and shotgun ad-hominem. Who's angry, chief? You're the one who jumped with all that nonsense with no provocation.

What is painfully obvious is that you haven't done squat to inform yourself on this subject matter.

and aside from Putin's usual Bear appetite, the Georgian leader showed poor gamesmanship in dealing with such a big nasty neighbor and now wants us to bail him out

I'm sure he should have had his people just take repeated shelling, roadside bombs and and drive-by murders from Russian troops and Russian backed separatists endlessly.

ain't gonna happen at least not like you guys want

Where do you get off with this BS? You have no idea what I want. Lurker laid out a reasonable way to confront Russia and you brush it off and continue with your out of hand unsubstantiated accusations at anyone who disagrees with your bluster. Rodney Obama King isn't going to get it with Russia, sport. This isn't about Georgia.

101 posted on 08/20/2008 9:40:21 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: Sundog
An article from Slate? Why not Pravda?

You're dismissing the source, a left leaning publication, because the story supports the west and not Russia? And Pravda is the alternative you suggest? LOL I'm finished thinking you have anything serious to say.

102 posted on 08/20/2008 9:44:31 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: wardaddy
this thread is boring me arguing with a bunch of hip shooting wolf ticket sales girls (except lurker who's an old timer)

It's boring you because you might actually have to think and study to respond to anybody. All you really want to do is throw out ad-hominems at unspecified targets. Take your Ritalin and read up a little.

103 posted on 08/20/2008 9:54:49 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: TigersEye
you brush it off

hardly....here is a direct quote from my post to lurker...

To: Lurker that all sounds fine but I’d get me a new Georgian president he’s not a mule I’d hitch my wagon to against Putin 67 posted on Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:47:32 AM by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.") [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies | Report Abuse]

we can see how this pans out but for now the administration ain't doing much in public except for precisley worded comments....I'd imagine it's something like " we'll stand down when we finish with the parts of Georgia in question" and Bush will say something like "fine we don't like it and we're gonna publicly sabre rattle and make diplotrouble for you but unless you go beyond that then we'll just lick our nuts and try to be more prepared next go around"

like i said, we'll see....be sure to holler at me if I'm wrong and this starts some wet dream ground war with Russia

104 posted on 08/20/2008 9:58:45 AM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
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To: TigersEye
LOL, you're oblivious to your own irony in this diatribe: . All you really want to do is throw out ad-hominems at unspecified targets.

Once again...we shall see if Bush thinks like you..so far...nyet.

105 posted on 08/20/2008 10:01:16 AM PDT by wardaddy ("Cause my grey hair just can't cover up my redneck.")
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To: wardaddy
...and this starts some wet dream ground war with Russia

Lame. You're still acting like you know what I think about this. Continue on your way with your pathetic assumptions. You are uneducable.

106 posted on 08/20/2008 10:01:40 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: wardaddy

Irony? You’re the one who shot right out of the cannon with a load of hyperbole and accusations. You may be old but you ain’t grown up.


107 posted on 08/20/2008 10:02:39 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: SolidWood

Amen!!
Stand for freedom, stand for Georgia, stand for what is right or you die with nothing.
Burn the BEAR!
Didn’t kissing Hitler’s a$$ by Lindberg, Mrs. Rooseveldt and Chamberlin teach us anything.
Burn the BEAR! Burn the BEAR!


108 posted on 08/20/2008 10:11:17 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (My Tee shirt for 2009-2012:" I voted FRED don't you wish you did")
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To: TigersEye

We shall consider Pravda to be at least as reputable as Slate. Pravda is much closer to the conflict, if you must make a simple minded analysis of the problem. Slate has had many wonderful analyses of the suffering caused by Americans in Iraq. You would think America caused all the world’s problems and was remiss in not curing all the world’s problems if you believed the editorial slant of Slate.

http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/20-08-2008/106151-NATO_Russia-0


109 posted on 08/20/2008 10:51:09 AM PDT by Sundog (Hussein . . . B. Hussein or S. Hussein?)
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To: Sundog

Odd that the article we are talking about is biased toward the west then isn’t it?


110 posted on 08/20/2008 11:01:39 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36, Moscow '80, Beijing '08 ... Olympic games for murdering regimes.)
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To: TigersEye

In this little fight scene, let’s see if we can agree on who is playing the part of Georgia and who is playing the part of Russia.

http://www.octavedoc.com/Music/1Pictures/Capoeira%20Fighter.wmv


111 posted on 08/20/2008 11:35:14 AM PDT by Sundog (Hussein . . . B. Hussein or S. Hussein?)
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To: Sal

The Swiss will take good care of it, then 60 years later, will announce that they didn’t know, and will make a big deal about how they don’t to that any more.


112 posted on 08/21/2008 9:38:11 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: mac_truck

see the link in post 81


113 posted on 09/11/2008 9:39:22 PM PDT by MarMema (regime change in Russia!!)
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