40 guns tested in girls' deaths

I like yours much better.

Seems like the NRA and any pro-gun groups in OK should be all over this one.

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That's a perfectly fair question to ask. San Diego had a gut wrenching experience when Cara Knott was murdered by CHP officer Craig Peyer. His boss was in my LDS ward. The murder happened 3 miles from my house. link

The medical examiner noted two different sizes of bullets, which were described as small- and medium caliber.

Sounds like they are looking for TWO guns here. A smaller caliber revolver is commonly carried as a "backup gun". Screening the LEOs .40 cal Glocks and backup guns sounds like a very reasonable angle. I wonder what the smaller caliber bullets yielded in terms of the rifling (twist, twist direction, number of grooves/landings). That is usually pretty manufacturer specific too...and MUCH harder to ditch compared to the typical barrel on a Glock.

I won’t post how it’s done but changing the impressions a barrel leaves on bullets is a very simple thing to do. I guess this is where we say thank goodness criminals aren’t known for intelligence.

I don’t remember the closure percentage rates for homocides nationwide but IMO it’s not that impressive. When you work under a budget you aren’t going to solve every case.

Yeah, because the person that was guilty is really going to bring in their firearm for ballistics testing.

If I lived in that town and could provide proof that I was out of town when the girls were murdered, I’d go there, do so, and tell them to get a warrant if they want to test my pistol.

Basically telling them to pound sand.

My wife has worked as a law enforcement dispatcher for over 10 years. I'm acutely aware of the budget pinches. The impact in our household is lousy shifts and perpetually having to hire and train another dispatcher as the unhappy ones move on to something less stressful.

as there is no central database for gun info or a method by which one could be put together

If they have been able with the recovered bullets to determine the caliber not hard and the make of the pistol used then they could go to the manufacture and ask for records of guns of that type sent to dealer's in that area.

no gov data base would be involved

If they have been able with the recovered bullets to determine the caliber not hard and the make of the pistol used then they could go to the manufacture and ask for records of guns of that type sent to dealer's in that area.

Understand your thinking on the non-use of .gov database but it seems the legal logic breaks down when considering how they are able to get the manufacutrer's info when they have no legal authority over the out-of-state manufacturer. The only legal authority the manufacturers are likely to recognize is BATFE and they require info on a specific gun in order to initiate a trace request, not a blanket fishing expedition.

they require info on a specific gun in order to initiate a trace request, not a blanket fishing expedition.

Thank you I was not aware of that.

In any case someone needs to find out how they got the owners list info and see if any constitutional rights were compromised or they will only get worse

The correct response to this 'request' to 'volunteer' is "Get a Warrant."

Almost...and you want something besides a warrant.

In my case it's "I'm sorry, but I have been and am sworn to support and defend the Constitution, and since waiver of any constitutional right is a dimunitation or abrogation of that constitutional provision, it could be used as evidince that I do not take my constitutional oath seriously, or even result in a perjury charge against me.

Accordingly, any further request or demand by you that I waive any right guaranteed by me under the U.S. Constitution thereby constitutes a felonious soliticion or Subornation to commit perjury, a violation of federal law, Title 18 of the U.S. Criminal Code, §ection 1622.

Additionally, such a violation by a public servant such as yourself during the course of his duty constitutes felony Official Misconduct under state law, an Offense against Public Administration, and must be reported and charged as such to the full extent of the law.

If you have any additional questions for me, please have a written statement of transactional immunity prepared so that I can fully cooperate with your questioning without becoming in any way involved in criminal activity on your part."

"I, (NAME)(SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of Major, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

--DA Form 71

In my case it's "I'm sorry, but I have been and am sworn to support and defend the Constitution, and since waiver of any constitutional right is a dimunitation or abrogation of that constitutional provision, it could be used as evidince that I do not take my constitutional oath seriously, or even result in a perjury charge against me....

That reminds me of a law I wish states would pass (though they never will): "When citizens waive rights for police, it shall be presumed that such waiver was coerced, absent evidence otherwise."