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To: DallasBiff
This spring, it was bizarre accusations against Barack Obama: he's a closet muslim, his wife is a black nationalist, etc.

Why are these accusations "bizarre"? Although he has persistently said that he was "never" a Muslim, in fact he WAS a Muslim when he was a boy. Fact. He lied publicly and repeatedly, until he was backed against the wall with documentary evidence.

And his wife IS a black nationalist in her sympathies, even if she doesn't carry a party card. Read her college thesis. Look at some of her statements, before they muzzled her.

Is Barry a "closet Muslim"? Who knows? We do know for certain that he has repeatedly lied about the Muslim issue. And we know that no Muslims have issued a fatwa against him, as they would certainly have done if he were viewed as an apostate. Instead, Muslims appear to be very friendly toward him.

He has good relations with Muslims in Kenya and Indonesia. He is on close terms with Odinga, his Christian-murdering, church-burning cousin.

So, is he now a Muslim? Who knows? But it's far from ridiculous, especially in view of his habitual lies.

5 posted on 08/18/2008 9:22:21 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Dude. Seriously. This whole continued "Obama is a Muslim!!!11!" thing is just an embarrassment. It's not relevant to the campaign in the slightest. Moreover, it makes us look like petty pedantic nerds at best. At worst, it reinforces the virulent stereotype of conservatives as racist.

Sure, perhaps Obama was enrolled in elementary school in a Muslim country where his parents decided to list him as Muslim. You know what? When you're surrounded by Muslims, that's just basic good parenting if you value the survival of your child. Plain and simple.

Besides, what you believe as your religion at age 13 is pretty much irrelevant to who you are as a person. I don't call myself a former Buddhist just because I got really into Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance when I was a high school freshman. I don't call myself a former pagan even though I played a lot of Dungeons and Dragons, and I don't call myself a former Satanist even though I once read some stuff by Aleister Crowley. In fact, to do otherwise, to claim that I was once a practicing Buddhist or practicing Satanist, would be flat-out factually incorrect.

And the question is: Who cares? Whether or not he was ever a Muslim in his youth has very, very little to do with what his opinions, stances, and actions are now. It's pretty much entirely irrelevant to the question of whether or not he'd make a good President.

An Obama Presidency would be a train wreck in a hundred different ways. We've got real, substantive material we can smack this guy on. Let's not waste our time, energy, and most importantly our credibility by pursuing this ridiculous "Obama is/was a Muslim" canard. It's just not worth it.

6 posted on 08/18/2008 9:54:08 AM PDT by Omedalus
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To: Cicero
"Is Barry a "closet Muslim"? Who knows?"

Do you know whether or not O'Barnum has been baptised?

10 posted on 08/18/2008 10:45:18 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Cicero
"Is Barry a "closet Muslim"? Who knows?"

Do you know whether or not O'Barnum has been baptised?

11 posted on 08/18/2008 10:45:23 AM PDT by Pietro
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