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Buffalo Police batter their way into wrong house
Buffalo News ^ | 08/16/08 | T.J. Pignataro

Posted on 08/17/2008 12:46:00 PM PDT by ellery

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To: ellery
Well, the founders probably would never have said that if a terrorist went into their home on American soil that the law would be forbidden from apprehending them there.

That thought wreaks of the terrorist mind set that they could attack and be free from attack if they sheltered themselves in a Mosque or their house.

Nope, for good cause I do believe it is common sense that the founders would allow law enforcement entry to chase bad guys.

How about a guy who's been raping women or children?
How about a drug smuggler?

There needs to be more caution taken as shown by this circumstance.
Even if there is a right to go in with good intentions, we still need to use the brain God gave us to avoid going in the wrong door. That was terrible.

41 posted on 08/17/2008 1:47:10 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ellery

It’s a shame that a few LEOs can’t read an address. It makes them all look like idiots.
Hopefully the city will come through with proper reimbursement and a profound and sincere apology.


42 posted on 08/17/2008 1:49:49 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Skywalk
They do get killed in the line of duty and various cops get shout at.
I would guess their training reduces the deaths from being shot at.

They are concerned when they go through a door and do not know what is the situation on the other side.

I DO condemn the stupid mistake and the joker who blew this should be considered for retirement.
Doesn't seem that difficult to differentiate between lets say 202 and 602.

43 posted on 08/17/2008 1:50:18 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Also, if you still think it's just a 'mistake', I recommend you check out the link in post # 13 and then tell me why Paramilitary Police Units don't seem to be LEARNING from their mistakes?
44 posted on 08/17/2008 1:50:54 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead
From the point it was said they went through a wrong door, that to me would be considered a mistake, not an assault on the whole country.
45 posted on 08/17/2008 1:52:12 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bamahead

I’ve read a few stories like this in the last 5 years.
I know they must conduct 30 raids like this a day around the country.

Out of thousands a year, you believe we have a thousand similar mistakes and none of the rest are making the news because the main stream news just loves law enforcement?


46 posted on 08/17/2008 1:53:46 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
...that to me would be considered a mistake, not an assault on the whole country...

Tell me if you still think that after checking out that link.
47 posted on 08/17/2008 1:54:06 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Skywalk
The reasonable but still outraged folks like us rarely act. It’s usually some disturbed individual with less ability to discriminate and make intelligent and morally informed decisions that does. Which will, in turn, cause people to irrationally gravitate to the defense of even the worst cops.

That is why the respect issue has to go both ways. Aside from this SWAT stuff trashing the Posse comitatus doctrine, the civilians affected will only have fear and contempt afterwards, winning the lottery or not.

Respect also begins with respect for the people paying the LEO's wages. This starts by little things like READING THE ADDRESS, and not using plea-bargaining junkies as reliable sources, nor declaring Open Season on household pets.

This has to stop or it will be stopped one way or the other, even if it is something as peaceful as utterly bankrupting municipalities.

48 posted on 08/17/2008 1:57:10 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: OKIEDOC
It's time to hold the Chiefs of Police responsible for their actions.

It's also time to end this stupid "War On Drugs". I remember before it started....we really did not have a major drug problem. Now we do. Just like we really did not have a major poverty problem in this country before the stupid "War On Poverty" started. Now, after pouring billions down rat holes from L.A to Philly.....we have a major poverty problem.....and have destroyed the family structure of one of our ethnic groups.

The Federal Government should coin the money, defend the shores, maintain foreign embassies and obey the tenth amendment. Instead of throwing more billions down rat holes they should allow free citizens to purchase their drugs and associated paraphernalia from Thrifty, CVS and Rite Aid..... instead of dealing with the Bloods and the Crips.

If Nebraska wants to make drugs illegal....fine. Vote it in....and then all the drug pushers will move to Nebraska where they can make obscene profits. Then the folks here in California could get their marijuana weekend high for about the price of a six pack of Coors.....and their drugs, manufactured under strict pharmaceutical standards, would be much safer.

No....I don't use drugs (never have) nor do I advocate their use by others. What I do advocate is a return to limited Constitutional government.

We never learn from history....we continue to make the same stupid mistakes and elect the same stupid people. Congressional term limits would be a good start.

49 posted on 08/17/2008 1:59:17 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: A CA Guy
That said, the law is being upheld by imperfect humans and mistakes have and will be made.

No, the law that allows law enforcement to use such tactics in ordinary circumstances violates our rights and needs to be put to a stop immediately.

50 posted on 08/17/2008 1:59:31 PM PDT by jdub
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To: bamahead

Looking at that map which represents almost a quarter of a century all things in all states, I think there have been relatively FEW raids on an innocent suspect.
The innocent ones (don’t know if they were mistaken in addresses though) add up to only 2 a year.
That is not an assault on America.

There were quite a few MORE deaths and injuries of police officers in the line of duty than I though though.


51 posted on 08/17/2008 2:01:10 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Popman
Do I really need a < s > tag

unfortunately, you almost do....

52 posted on 08/17/2008 2:01:25 PM PDT by jdub
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To: ellery

Another victory in the War On Drugs. Unfortunately, the victory is against our way of life.


53 posted on 08/17/2008 2:02:00 PM PDT by Bernard (If you always tell the truth, you never have to remember exactly what you said.)
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To: ellery

Hope they sue...and end up owning Buffalo.

...WAIT....strike that....that’s no prize.


54 posted on 08/17/2008 2:04:47 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Gorzaloon
Fortunately, people have thus far been satisfied with winning the litigation lottery.

Really? Does your coveting monetary judgements really cause you to forget that people's lives are lost in these raids? Do you really think that someone thinks "my spouse is dead, but its ok because I got a half million dollar judgment"?

55 posted on 08/17/2008 2:05:19 PM PDT by jdub
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To: A CA Guy
Out of thousands a year, you believe we have a thousand similar mistakes and none of the rest are making the news because the main stream news just loves law enforcement?

I'm not sure what news you pay attention to, but these incidents occur almost weekly now and happen all over the country.

Last week, a Maryland Mayor's house was raided mistakenly, and the same thuggery was used. The two family pets ended up dead.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2058363/posts

Please don't think that this can't happen to you as well, because it can...
56 posted on 08/17/2008 2:05:25 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ellery

Nothing has given greater license for corruptuion to thug politicians and law enforcement goons than the war on drugs. The theft of private property, if ever publicized in its totality, would be stunning. A neighbor across the street in a 1st class neighborhood lost his home to RICO after renting for 6 months to drug dealers. After 2 years of litigation and God knows how much money, it was finally returned. Our criminal public servants enriching themselves at the expense of the public...as usual.


57 posted on 08/17/2008 2:05:31 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: ellery

Besides being a bunch of dumbasses, what is the “Mobile Response and Narcotics units”? I’d bet the farm it is a loosely run SWAT team on the Buffalo Police Dept.
Everyone knows that Buffalo is a crime infested hellhole and needs a Swat TEam. As does every other govt. agency like the D.O.T. & the Transportation & Road depts.
I’m just surprised the Education dept. in your local school system doesn’t have one of these damned jack booted thug depts.


58 posted on 08/17/2008 2:05:35 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Pablo64

Probably an unidentified tip.
Old dumped girlfriend


59 posted on 08/17/2008 2:07:14 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Lurker
Oh and by the way Det. Richards. You're fired.

Only in a sane world. In this one, they'll get commendations for showing restraint...

60 posted on 08/17/2008 2:08:46 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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