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To: WoofDog123; RKV
No. Point not well made at all. This isn't the State of Crimea acting in violation of a treaty that Ukraine has signed. And as a party to a treaty, Ukraine has the sovereign authority to abrogate it.
53 posted on 08/17/2008 12:32:31 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

“No. Point not well made at all. This isn’t the State of Crimea acting in violation of a treaty that Ukraine has signed. And as a party to a treaty, Ukraine has the sovereign authority to abrogate it.

Who is talking about Crimea as a separate political entity?

Have you read a translation of the treaty (I have never seen one)? Can Ukraine make these changes without withdrawing formally from the treaty? Does anyone, including you, know on FR?

HAVE they formally abrogated the treaty? As far as I know they have not, and unless I am wrong, the current events do not include them ending participation in the treaty. Please link where you have read that this is happening.

I will make it simple -

3 possibilities -

1) your suggestion - that they ahve abroaged the treaty...no more treaty, no more obligation to let a single russian ship dock, ever. I have not read that this has happened, though. Have you?

2) - the treaty allows Ukraine to place the various restrictions on the ships which they have announced intent to place. Too bad for russia.

3) the treaty does NOT allow Ukraine to place some or all of such restrictions within the framework of the treaty, which means Russia can ignore the related restrictions until Ukraine formally withdraws (see 1), which hasn’t happened.

“Ukraine has the sovereign authority to abrogate it.”

This does not appear to be what has been discussed, however. Non-renewal of the treaty has been mentioned, but that is a long time away.


56 posted on 08/17/2008 3:29:13 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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