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Obama: "Biggest Mistake" Was Vote to Help Terri Schiavo
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | Thursday February 28, 2008 | Peter J. Smith

Posted on 08/16/2008 9:30:20 AM PDT by cpforlife.org

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To: trumandogz; All
However, should the House and Senate enter into special session when ever their is a family dispute regarding the decision to terminate life support of have an abortion?

The Congress is a non-judicial body, and most Americans either have enough sense, or know viscerally, that using it in that manner is tyranny.

There are rights that lack a remedy. Mrs. Schiavo's situation AFTER the Florida executive and judicial processes had run their course was one such situation.

41 posted on 08/16/2008 11:18:15 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When He rolls up His sleeves, He ain't just puttin' on the Ritz)
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42 posted on 08/16/2008 11:18:43 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you. I was beginning to take it personally. At the time, I followed Terri’s case closely because I lived in Florida for many years. Under the circumstances, I still believe congress did the right thing getting involved. I feel very sorry for her family who loved her so much. Very sad story indeed.


43 posted on 08/16/2008 11:25:08 AM PDT by nobama08
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To: Jim Noble
The Congress is a non-judicial body, and most Americans either have enough sense, or know viscerally, that using it in that manner is tyranny.

Yes, it was a tyrannical use of power by the Federal government.

There are rights that lack a remedy. Mrs. Schiavo's situation AFTER the Florida executive and judicial processes had run their course was one such situation.

That is why we have the 10th Amendment!

44 posted on 08/16/2008 11:31:16 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: nobama08

IMHO, it was a failure by the Flordia Governor that ultimately killed Terri. Jeb failed to protect a dissabled citizen when the court system failed to function properly giving an unauthorized-to-order-a-death-sentence judge powers he must not have in our judicial system. If that isn’t a case for the chief lawenforcement officer of a state to forcefully step in and save an endangered citizen then there is none such. Jeb Bush was/is/will always be a cowardly feckless man. But that’s just my personal opinion, YMMV.


45 posted on 08/16/2008 11:32:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

“Jeb Bush was/is/will always be a cowardly feckless man”

I agree and i think in runs in the Bush family .. the way
W. Bush lost eastern europe this week to the New Russian Empire.

Better not ever see a Bush even one hint at wanting to run
for President.

We could have saved our country a lot of problems if we picked Dole in 88 instead of reagan’s lapdog.


46 posted on 08/16/2008 11:41:43 AM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: MHGinTN
If you are going to comment about me, please ping me.

On many social issues, I may not be as conservative as some but I am strongly Pro Life and oppose abortion in all its forms.

My problem with the Schiavo case is that it was a far over reach of Federal Powers and provided Terri with protections of the Federal Government that have not been afforded others that were or are in a similar situation.

So, what is it that made Terri more Equal than others in the eyes of the Federal Government?

Should the U.S. Congress intervene in all cases where a family is in disagreement over the continued medical treatment of a family member? If not, why should those people not be afforded the rights under the Equal Protection Clause?

After all, Terri had the right to be the subject of a Special Session of Congress however, there are thousands of people in hospices at this very moment that will not have that same protection.

47 posted on 08/16/2008 11:42:09 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
You're tripping over your own argument. Exceptions should not be used to argue for the rule but you turn your own argument on its head by arguing this as a special case where the Congress should not be involved. In simple point of fact, genius, the Congress has the Constitutional prerogative to involve itself as it sees fit, and that is the actual general rule. And that by the failure of the SCOTUS to limit in other cases where the opportunity to define Congressional limits as set by the Constitution have created bad precedent (mal stare decesis)

Nice try though, nice exposure for you ...

48 posted on 08/16/2008 11:52:50 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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Of all the mistakes Obama has made in all fifty eight states, this is the worst? We heard her voice on tape— so far I don't recall that tape being discredited. Thus I can't help but conclude that she was legalistically murdered when her parents were willing to pay for her medical costs.

And the Man with the Air Pressure Plan thinks THIS was his biggest mistake?

49 posted on 08/16/2008 11:56:05 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("The internet needs a gatekeeper," The Cackling Comeback Witch aka Hillary Rod-ham [Clinton])
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To: LearsFool

Amen! I am right there with you, my brother / sister.


50 posted on 08/16/2008 12:06:50 PM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: MHGinTN

I am sorry but when I read the Constitution, I do not see where it is granted the power to go into Special Session for the sole purpose of involving itself in personal matters of a private family.

It does not sound like something that a Small Government Conservative would advocate.

But there seems to be very few of us Small Government Conservatives around these days.


51 posted on 08/16/2008 12:07:46 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: nobama08
As for family disputes involving removing someone from life support,

That's all I need to read from you. You are obviously clueless on the case - deluded by the death cult.

52 posted on 08/16/2008 12:09:01 PM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: don-o

Are you sure you meant to reply to me? I am entirely pro-life.


53 posted on 08/16/2008 12:13:21 PM PDT by nobama08
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To: trumandogz; Jim Noble
"John McCain should promise to keep the House and Senate in session 365 days a year simply for the purpose of resolving family disputes over the life support of a family member."

This response is not relevant to the case being discussed, because nobody was asking the House and Senate to "resolve family disputes." The purpose of their involvement was to allow a Federal Court to review the case to determine if Mrs. Schiavo's rights were being violated: the type of review which we routinely grant to convicted criminals under sentence of death.

No citizen, as Constitutionalists know, is to suffer the loss of life, liberty or property without due process of law. In this case, a county probate judge (County! Probate! Judge!) ordered a woman's death without ever seeing her, without even a smidgeon of written or otherwise documented evidence that she "wished to be killed," and without considering whether her legal guardian should be an estranged husband who had abandoned her medically and maritally, who has spent down trust funds which were supposed to be used to be used for her support, and who would further profit from her demise.

I personally think that Jeb Bush was derelict in his duty to uphold the Florida Constitution by failing to act to prevent the killing. But while getting a review in Federal court was not the most savvy move tactically, it was not a matter of presumptuous government meddling. Certainly not.

The woman in question had the right to have her intrests represented in court: especially her most fundamental interest, the right to simply go on living.

54 posted on 08/16/2008 12:20:55 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: don-o
One thing he is making clear...and all Christians will have this on their conscience for voting for him...: he is making his beliefs about life, death, family (not his own) and every other matter that is of concern for Christians very well known. Later, should he win, he'll be able to say that it was with the consent of Bible-believing Christians backing him all the way. He will be able to say that they gave him the mandate to do as he pleases because he was up-front about his stances from the beginning.

Nice guy he might be. That doesn't alter his beliefs. Many a nice guy has turned out to be ‘the devil in disguise’.

55 posted on 08/16/2008 12:42:21 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: don-o
One thing he is making clear...and all Christians will have this on their conscience for voting for him...: he is making his beliefs about life, death, family (not his own) and every other matter that is of concern for Christians very well known. Later, should he win, he'll be able to say that it was with the consent of Bible-believing Christians backing him all the way. He will be able to say that they gave him the mandate to do as he pleases because he was up-front about his stances from the beginning.

Nice guy he might be. That doesn't alter his beliefs. Many a nice guy has turned out to be ‘the devil in disguise’.

56 posted on 08/16/2008 12:43:54 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: nobama08

Yes. I meant to reply to you. I copied your own words. The part about “life support.” That’s where you are off track. Give that a think and get back to me.


57 posted on 08/16/2008 1:18:35 PM PDT by don-o (Have you donated to FR? If not, why not?)
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To: trumandogz

Why not keep the Congress in session 365 days a year for the sole purpose of intervening in family disputes?

First off.. who said anything about keeping them in session all year for that?
Second.. do you call murder a “family dispute?”

If a governor can give a reprieve to a convicted murderer, the president can give a reprieve to an innocent woman.


58 posted on 08/16/2008 2:13:22 PM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: Awestruck

So advocate the Federal Government stepping in to stop a family and doctors from making the decision to pull a family member from life support?


59 posted on 08/16/2008 2:21:19 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

It is a liberal tactic to mischaracterize ... as in ‘for the personal matters of a private family.’ That you do not see the Schiavo case in a broader context than a private matter on the national stage where issues of right to life as unalienable speaks volumes on the state of your deadness. You keep it up and the disgust level will be intolerable. But then, it doesn’t seem to register with you anyway ...


60 posted on 08/16/2008 3:57:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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