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Georgia forced to accept a Russian occupation
Times (U.K.) ^ | August 16, 2008 | Tony Halpin in Tbilisi

Posted on 08/16/2008 3:12:37 AM PDT by fightinJAG

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To: Words
And what about the abkhazi and ossetians, who just won't want to live in "georgia"? Bomb'em into submission, like serbs?

Yah, that's probably O.K., as long as the Ruskies aren't doing it. ;)

21 posted on 08/16/2008 7:20:38 AM PDT by Riodacat (Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.)
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To: fightinJAG
Vladimir Putin's mastery checkmates the West

It's a check and not a checkmate. It isn't 'mastery' for an elephant to step on an ant. This guy gives Vlad too much credit.

22 posted on 08/16/2008 7:29:52 AM PDT by tbpiper (NObama '08 - Unfit in any color)
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23 posted on 08/16/2008 7:38:29 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: stig

“My proposal. Russia has certainly put us on notice that they are not our friend. We need to secure Poland as part of NATO. We need major military installations in Poland to help protect their independence. In Georgia we take what we can get for the time being. We work geopolitically after we safeguard Poland to pressure Russia into leaving a majority Georgia alone. “
We must include the Baltic States and Ukraine in your plan which is a good one. But I don;t see Bush having the nerve to do it. Nor Obama. McCain - maybe.


24 posted on 08/16/2008 8:03:24 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: AliVeritas
And nothing from the Left about the poor civilians. How Russia targeted weddings, women and children. No war for oil.

Where ARE the Code Pinkos ? Why their deafening silence? Where is that gasbag Benjamin?

This is beyond disgusting.

25 posted on 08/16/2008 8:41:08 AM PDT by sofaman (Obama "Inebriated with the exuberance of his own verbosity & gifted with an egotistical imagination")
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To: LZ_Bayonet

Let’s hope not.

I would hope the agreement is used to demonstrate that Russia is indeed the aggressor.

Sometimes ceasefires are politically and historically useful for what they do not accomplish as much as for what they do.

Sort of like getting a U.N. resolution. Such is worthless in fact, but nevertheless helpful in blunting the inevitable criticism that a country took military action as a first rather than last resort.

Regardless what the ceasefire supposedly consists of, Russia is violating it. The more it gave to Russia in the first place, the more Russia’s continued violations prove our point. And build a formation for further action in the future.


26 posted on 08/16/2008 9:24:09 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: mware

We shall see.

That’s the beauty of this, if that’s the word for it.

The less demanding the ceasefire is on Russia, the more provocative it will be if Russia fails to abide by each and every term.


27 posted on 08/16/2008 9:26:17 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: AliVeritas
This may be the case.

# 15

28 posted on 08/16/2008 9:28:12 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: stig

Plus, this is not over yet.

The main point is that the entire world now knows that Russia is giving in to its hegemonic tendencies. Again.

We will act accordingly.

However, the vaunted “international community” the Rats are always slobbering about will always be an OBSTACLE to appropriate action.


29 posted on 08/16/2008 9:30:53 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: wolficatZ

The Georgian military, before it was blitzkrieged lately, was only about as big as one squad of Russkies.

IOW, no contest militarily.

Check out the pics in some of these articles of what the Russkies did to the new Georgian military bases. They leveled them in just a few minutes.


30 posted on 08/16/2008 9:33:12 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: hershey
Europeans, unfortunately, can be made to jump to the tune of aggressors with the use of idle threats. No question about their response to the withdrawal of most of the fuel they need to keep from freezing this winter. Let us hope that Russia's demands are not too stringent on them because they will yield in any case.
31 posted on 08/16/2008 9:40:53 AM PDT by brydic1
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To: fightinJAG

Since when is the Devil Brilliant?


32 posted on 08/16/2008 9:47:14 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Alia

Of course, any provision that is to be executed in the future is an opportunity for prevarication by the aggressor Russkies.

Somehow they will find the composition of the peacekeeping contingent unacceptable, blah blah blah. Also they will go to their “friends” in Europe (under the table, of course) and convince them it is not in their best interests to NOT stall and stall on this.

Or the Russkies will simply start some diversionary action that makes it “impossible” for them to either accept peacekeepers or for the sending countries to send peacekeepers.

But anyway, this is (or can be used as) a known “attempt to resolve” that was sabotaged by the Russkies, thus helping to build the record that they are the aggressors. These “attempts” then get litanized in the run-up to other actions that need to be taken.


33 posted on 08/16/2008 9:53:11 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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To: stig

Don’t waste your time with him, he’s clueless.


34 posted on 08/16/2008 10:10:28 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Keep Scott Garrett in Congress - NJ 5th!)
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To: ZULU

If the United States were in the position of the Europeans, being dependent on Russia for heat this winter, I have not the slightest doubt that most of our politicians and more than half of our population would be falling over backwards to appease the Russians. Conservative values and with it the willingness of a people to stand up to tyranny has been largely relegated to the dust bins of history. While I believe in time it will rise again, it will be after my limited lifetime.


35 posted on 08/16/2008 10:19:48 AM PDT by brydic1
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To: brydic1

We should DRILL the heck out of ANWR and our coasts and provide Europe with oil.

We should also DEMAND those rats in robes in Iraq CANCEL their damn agreement with Red CHina and sell the fuel WE librated to Eurtope.


36 posted on 08/16/2008 5:21:29 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
We must include the Baltic States and Ukraine in your plan which is a good one. But I don;t see Bush having the nerve to do it. Nor Obama. McCain - maybe.

Agreed. Good news today it seems the Germans have stepped up to the plate and proposed Georgia become a member of NATO. Also Ukraine has become much more proactive in its proposals for the US missle shield.

I agree with you that no major miltary operations are going to occur before Nov. But I think that Bush will act after the election. One because if Obama wins it forces the Dems to deal with the situation and if McCain wins it gives McCain political cover that he is just mopping up for what Bush started.

37 posted on 08/17/2008 9:35:25 AM PDT by stig
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To: stig

“I agree with you that no major miltary operations are going to occur before Nov. But I think that Bush will act after the election. One because if Obama wins it forces the Dems to deal with the situation and if McCain wins it gives McCain political cover that he is just mopping up for what Bush started. “

A good tactic on Bush’s part if he does it.


38 posted on 08/17/2008 9:38:46 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Fudd Fan
Don’t waste your time with him, he’s clueless.

I usually let these things pass, but the MSM has been playing this same game so much lately it has really been bugging me.

39 posted on 08/17/2008 9:41:04 AM PDT by stig
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