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If John McCain Picks a Pro-Abortion Catholic Running Mate, He Will Lose
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/15/08 | Austin Ruse

Posted on 08/15/2008 2:43:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
My other point is that there are A LOT of Catholics who ONLY vote GOP in presidential elections and they ONLY do this based on abortion. If the pro-life platform is abandoned either outright or in essence many will no longer have any reason to vote GOP.

What percentage is that and will it make a difference in the election?

41 posted on 08/15/2008 3:47:45 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: wagglebee

Man, I just don’t know what to do. If he picks a Dem or some loser Repubekan I will not be there in November. As much as I’d hate to have Obamalamadingdong in there for 4 years, a message must be sent to the RNC.

Pick a Conservative, or die.


42 posted on 08/15/2008 3:47:45 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (US out of the UN - UN out of the US)
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To: raybbr
Many of them call themselves Catholic and cheat on their wives, vote for pro-choicers, cheat at cards, lie to their bosses, etc.

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Can you support this statement?

43 posted on 08/15/2008 3:48:59 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: raybbr
I also agree that McCain is so wrong for the GOP and we conservatives. I truly hate that I have to pick from the sorry list of candidates that may be on my ballot.

God forgive me but I swear I hope something happens to McCain that won't allow him to run.

I don't see any scenario in which McCain won't be the nominee. But I do see a scenario where due to age and health he only serves one term (I'm pretty sure that the Clintons have the same scenario in mind and are looking for a way to underhandedly get Obama defeated) and in this case we REALLY need a strong conservative VP who to run in 2012.

44 posted on 08/15/2008 3:49:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
I'm starting to think his entire campaign will be to try to make enough people afraid of Obama.

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I'm afraid of an Obama presidency.

45 posted on 08/15/2008 3:50:57 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

Oh really now. If John Robert Dole McCain does that I’m sure he’ll sweep to victory......LOL!


46 posted on 08/15/2008 3:51:45 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("Are you saying Jesus can't hit a curve ball? - Harris to Cerrano - Major League)
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To: wagglebee
I don't see any scenario in which McCain won't be the nominee. But I do see a scenario where due to age and health he only serves one term (I'm pretty sure that the Clintons have the same scenario in mind and are looking for a way to underhandedly get Obama defeated) and in this case we REALLY need a strong conservative VP who to run in 2012.

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Agreed. McCain must understand that if he wants to win, this is it.

47 posted on 08/15/2008 3:52:39 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wagglebee

Not all Republicans or Conservatives consider this a big issue. I don’t see how the author can state this. For me, it’s Fiscal Conservatism that I’m voting for.


48 posted on 08/15/2008 3:53:08 PM PDT by Fawn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYbFQFXG0U)
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To: raybbr

The Catholic vote in the past four elections has been very closely divided and the winner was the one who got the majority.

While FR has a lot of conservative Catholics, the reality is that many (maybe even most) Catholics support the Democrats on EVERYTHING except abortion and other social issues. If this is off the table, they no longer have ANY REASON to vote GOP. So, I think it will make a huge difference. You see, it’s not that having a pro-abortion ticket (and one of each IS pro-abortion) will drive them away from voting GOP, it’s that having a pro-life ticket is the ONLY thing that will make them vote GOP in the first place.


49 posted on 08/15/2008 3:55:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham

But how many Catholics ARE NOT afraid of an Obama presidency, especially if they don’t see the GOP ticket as pro-life?


50 posted on 08/15/2008 3:57:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Fawn
Not all Republicans or Conservatives consider this a big issue. I don’t see how the author can state this.

However, many Catholics ARE NOT Republicans or conservatives, but they will vote pro-life in presidential elections.

51 posted on 08/15/2008 3:59:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
You see, it’s not that having a pro-abortion ticket (and one of each IS pro-abortion) will drive them away from voting GOP, it’s that having a pro-life ticket is the ONLY thing that will make them vote GOP in the first place.

Point taken. In any case we are in a sad state of affairs vis-a-vis this election.

52 posted on 08/15/2008 4:00:13 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
In any case we are in a sad state of affairs vis-a-vis this election.

That was obvious when McCain won.

53 posted on 08/15/2008 4:01:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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But how many Catholics ARE NOT afraid of an Obama presidency, especially if they don’t see the GOP ticket as pro-life?

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I don't know, but I do know this:

Barack Obama on Abortion

Ok for state to restrict late-term partial birth abortion. (Apr 2008)

We can find common ground between pro-choice and pro-life. (Apr 2008)

Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008)

Teach teens about abstinence and also about contraception. (Apr 2008)

GovWatch: Obama's "present" votes were a requested strategy. (Feb 2008)

Expand access to contraception; reduce unintended pregnancy. (Feb 2008)

Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007. (Jan 2008)

Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007) Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)

Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)

Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)

Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)

Moral accusations from pro-lifers are counterproductive. (Oct 2004)

Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)

Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)

Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998) Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)

Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)

Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)

Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)

Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)

Sponsored bill providing contraceptives for low-income women. (May 2006)

Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)

Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)

54 posted on 08/15/2008 4:02:35 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Fawn

Fawn: “Not all Republicans or Conservatives consider this a big issue.”

What’s money worth in a society that doesn’t value human life? If a human life can be terminated for being inconvenient, what’s your worth when you become inconvenient?

Bottom line: If it’s not a big issue for you, it should be. Social conservatism goes hand-in-hand with fiscal conservatism. You can’t have one without the other.


55 posted on 08/15/2008 4:16:21 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Yes, McCain will sell conservatives out. Trust that!)
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So, at what point does McCain actually start earning our votes?

Well, it's way too late for me. But, I've been living with the reality of being a NY voter, and Jeremiah Wright would win this state if he were the Rat nominee.

My company is moving my job to PA, and I thought it would be after the first of the year. But now, I hear that if I decide to make the move, it would happen in mid-October, and I might have to make sure I was considered a resident for the requisite period of time before Election Day. Since PA would be a swing state, my decision would take on a different level of importance.

56 posted on 08/15/2008 4:22:24 PM PDT by hunter112 (The 'straight talk express' gets the straight finger express from me.)
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To: wagglebee

Way to potentially stab a chunk of your base in the eye, Johnny.


57 posted on 08/15/2008 4:30:10 PM PDT by LiberalsSpendYourMoney
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To: trisham; wagglebee
I'm afraid of an Obama presidency.

And who isn't? But, if Obama wins, the nation will have an upset stomach for the democrats for decades. If McCain wins on the pro-abort platform, we lose the GOP forever, and it is a two-party system. It takes a lot to build a third party up.

58 posted on 08/15/2008 4:50:07 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: raybbr
The article claims Catholics will not vote for a pro-choice VP. I say baloney. How else would Kennedy get elected or Clinton?

The article doesn't claim a Catholic block vote.

The article does say that McCain will lose Catholic votes that he's desperately going to need in a close election if he choose a pro-abort running mate. And he will.

He won't lose any liberal Catholic votes in New York, Boston and Philadelphia. Those votes weren't going to help him one bit anyway.

59 posted on 08/15/2008 4:55:50 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: trumandogz
The fact that McCain would even consider a Pro-Abortion VP shows that he will also be willing to nominate a Pro-Abort to the Supreme Court.
60 posted on 08/15/2008 5:04:17 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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