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I began this exchange with you when I told a story about my father, who said that things did not turn out well for the Japanese in WW11 and I thought things would not turn out well for the Russians in this latest adventure. That's all I said on this Post.

You then went after that statement by saying that you had news for me, that if things didn't turn out well for the Russians they wouldn't turn out well for us. And I agreed with you. And even said that I thought no sane person would disagree with that.

No serious person on this thread has been advocating war with Russia. I certainly am not. But there is a difference between pointing out our tactical military disadvantages in a mature and reasonable way and flying off the handle and accusing anyone who is worried about the growth of Russian arrogance and aggression and hoping to halt it with resolve and strength, as being nothing more than arm chair warriors hell bent on sacrificing others to fight their fight. That offended me, and others, and I told you so. Personal insults have no place in a debate as serious as war and peace

But I think you are also very upset with this situation in Georgia and I understand that. All of us are! Also,I think you are a guy who honestly cares about this country and prays to God we don't go to war with the Russians over this. I know that's what you mean. I know your anger at me and others is because you think we are being flippant about so serious a matter. And you feel you are being unfairly attacked as being a “ChiCom’ lover, etc. That's too bad because I think you are a patriot.Just a little hot headed. So let's lets start off by not attacking each other's motives or bona-fides. We have serious issues to discuss. Our country is in danger from an aggressive exspantionistic resentful country with nukes !

I believe Putin is a killer and a very dangerous man who ultimately threatens us. And I think that view is shared by many people on the thread that for some reason you see as warmongers. That is not fair or accurate.

Anyway, the task at hand is to deal with this new threat. As I said on another thread....if we stop the Russians now and force them to pull back and stay strong, there will not be war...if we don't, there will be. I believe that. Do you?