To: Citizen Blade
Defeating the Germans in WWII? That's a pretty big deal. Other than Afghanistan, I can't actually think of any war they fought in during the interim.
The Soviets beat back a damn near successful German invasion, and only because Stalin began invoking the Russian people to fight for 'Mother Russia', not for Communism, not for Lenin, not for Marx & Engels. And by the time the Soviets had the Germans in full retreat, Germany was all but pulverized by allied air power courtesy of the United States Army Air Corps and the Royal Air Force. The Soviets were able to prevail in World War II due in no small part to strategic mistakes made by Hitler (one major error, treating the Russian peasants like animals instead of human beings, many Russians welcomed the initial Nazi invaders as LIBERATORS from Stalin and Communism). But once it became clear that the Nazis were no better than Communists, the average Russian understood that they had no friend(s) in Berlin or anywhere in Germany, and they fought hard and long to turn back the invasion.
Now to fast forward to Afghanistan, the record of Soviet failure there is clear. Most Soviet successes during the Cold War came about due to Moscow fighting the West via client states like North Korea, North Vietnam, Cuba, etc., and the continued existence of Communist regimes in those nations are proof of that, at least in those instances.
As for Patton and the Jews? It is quite frankly irrelevant to this thread, which is about RUSSIANS, a topic upon which Patton was extremely well educated and informed.
35 posted on
08/14/2008 3:08:06 PM PDT by
mkjessup
(Romania had the Ceausescus, America has the Clintons.)
To: mkjessup
The Soviets beat back a damn near successful German invasion, and only because Stalin began invoking the Russian people to fight for 'Mother Russia', not for Communism, not for Lenin, not for Marx & Engels. I'm not sure what that has to do with the discussion, but okay.
And by the time the Soviets had the Germans in full retreat, Germany was all but pulverized by allied air power courtesy of the United States Army Air Corps and the Royal Air Force
And yet, German war production actually peaked in 1944. Unilt the end, German military units were supplied with everything they needed, except enough men to hold back the Russians in the East, and later the Western Allies in the West.
As for Patton and the Jews? It is quite frankly irrelevant to this thread, which is about RUSSIANS, a topic upon which Patton was extremely well educated and informed.
Other than meeting up with the Russians at the end of the war, Patton had no special experiences with them. He was certainly no expert on Russia. And you're still trying to cherry-pick: If Patton is as good a judge of national character and qualities as you say, then he must be as right about the Jews as about the Russians.
Right?
47 posted on
08/14/2008 3:19:28 PM PDT by
Citizen Blade
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