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To: untrained skeptic
Who do you consider to be ordinary civilians and who isn't? How do you tell before you go in? Would you consider having 32 pounds of pot worth upwards of $100,000 delivered to their door and taken inside to make them something other than ordinary citizens?

First of all, since when does possession of plant material justify a higher level of police attention than robbery with violence? That's a problem of legal definition. Second, any police department with an IQ higher than a donut is going to be aware of whatever current scams are going around. The 'delivery to a random address' scam is one we civilians (or Crown Subjects, as the case may be) have all heard of. Cops who are not aware of this have no business playing with military equipment.

85 posted on 08/13/2008 5:33:28 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: BlazingArizona; untrained skeptic
I don't know...These two appear pretty dangerous. I can just see the mayors wife wielding a street sweeper at the raiding party...Ya just can't trust anyone. No doubt their dogs were just as vicious.

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91 posted on 08/13/2008 5:50:01 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: BlazingArizona
First of all, since when does possession of plant material justify a higher level of police attention than robbery with violence?

Trafficking in $100,000 worth of contraband justifies a pretty high level of attention regardless of what the contraband is, simply because of the amount of money involved. Unscrupulous people will do some rather unpleasant things when that much money is involved.

Second, any police department with an IQ higher than a donut is going to be aware of whatever current scams are going around. The 'delivery to a random address' scam is one we civilians (or Crown Subjects, as the case may be) have all heard of. Cops who are not aware of this have no business playing with military equipment.

I guess I'm just out of touch since I hadn't heard of it.

I have heard of people having drugs shipped to themselves, though usually they use a fake name with the correct address so they can say it must have been sent to them by mistake. They just let the package sit for a little while after receiving it in case the police show up, and if they do, they say they were going to have it sent back because it wasn't theirs.

I had a friend from high school that messed himself with alcohol abuse and drugs. He got so sick, mainly from the alcohol abuse that going and getting his drugs was difficult (somehow he always managed to get alcohol). I asked him how he did it when I was visiting him while he was really sick, and he told me.

It seems strange to me that someone would use the address of someone not involved for a large shipment of drugs. There's too much risk that something might happen and the regular deliverer might not be the one to deliver the package. If they couldn't intercept it, a large amount of drugs worth a lot of money goes to the wrong person.

It would make much more sense for them to use the address of someone they could trust but might not be directly involved. That way if the package got delivered by accident, they person could sit on it unopened, and then have their person in the delivery company pick it up under the pretense that they were sending it back because they hadn't ordered whatever it was.

When they delivered the drug in place of the FedEx driver they didn't charge right in. They waited around to see what happened.

At first the package was left outside, which might indicate they were suspicious because a different driver delivered the package. Once the package was taken inside, they still waited for a bit to see what was might happen.

If they had opened the package and realized what was inside, they would have then called the police, and the raid would have been called off. Unfortunately that's not what happened.

They could have not delivered the package and just sat on it, but doing that makes it harder to tie the drugs to the suspects because they never received it. They've captured the drugs, but alerted the drug ring that the police are on to them without solidly tying the drugs to anyone.

So they delivered the drugs. They were taken inside. No one from inside called the police.

The had to think that the most likely case was that the drugs had been taken to their intended destination. It it wasn't the intended destination, then they had to feel like it was very likely they'd be getting a call shortly after the drugs were taken inside. They didn't get a call. They couldn't just all go home and leave $100,000 worth of contraband there.

The people inside the house made reasonable decisions based on what they knew. The people outside the house made reasonable decisions based on what they knew. Events such as them not opening the package, and the officers being spotted approaching the house escalated things into a mess.

152 posted on 08/14/2008 9:59:38 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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