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To: StoneIsland

Of these Rots and pitbulls, how many were dogs that were abused to fight?


66 posted on 08/13/2008 12:12:29 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: goodwithagun

I think you’re missing the point.

First, a fighting dog (like a pit bull) that attacks humans is about the last thing that a breeder could want.

Second, it’s clear that there are other breeds of dogs that bite humans much more often than either pits or rots. Indeed, some of the sources I posted about made it clear that mixed breed dogs are more likely to bite (making a breed specific ban iffy at best).

Third, when pits and rots do bite, they’re much more likely to cause a fatality. Pits were bred to be fighting dogs, rots were working dogs. They’re both bred to be strong. A stronger dog, regardless of breed, is more likely to kill than a weaker dog.

So, as Dog Bite Law makes plain, there are two problems that need to be addressed here:

1. The dog bite epidemic (as he calls it)
2. The dog fatality problem

A breed ban may take care of #2, but it misses the importance of #1.


70 posted on 08/13/2008 12:19:44 PM PDT by StoneIsland
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To: goodwithagun
My best friend just had to have her Rott, a 6-YO neutered male, put down last week. She was the dog's sole owner, and she was never abusive toward her dog...always loving, gentle, yet firm and in-charge. Her dog was in perfect health--but for reasons unknown, in the last year, he slowly became aggressive. Started out as some menacing growls, then vicious barking, and finally charging at neighbors with whom he had always gotten along. My friend had him put down before he mauled or killed someone. She's beside herself with grief, she thinks she failed him as an owner.

My next-door neighbor used to raise PBs. Again, very good owner, decades of experience, always did her best to make sure the pups went to responsible homes. Her bitch "went funny" right around seven years old, attacked three people in one month. Again, nothing physically wrong with the dog. NDN had her put down before local Animal Control insisted upon it. NDN still had one of the euthanized bitch's pups. She turned three last fall. This past winter, she attacked four people on four separate occasions. In one incident, I can say with confidence that she was provoked. The other three folks were people walking down the sidewalk on their way to work. Again--nothing physically wrong with the dog, absolutely no history of abuse. NDN had her put down in April and is now being sued for $25K from one of the dog's victims.

I refuse to believe that no dog will "turn" unless there is some history of abuse in it's background. Any dog is capable of turning, any dog. I also refuse to believe that no breed is more likely to turn than any other. That's nonsense, plain and simple. There are several breeds which are genetically predisposed toward aggressive behavior. To deny that is not only misguided, it is dangerous.

92 posted on 08/13/2008 12:55:20 PM PDT by grellis (By order of the Ingham County Sheriff this tag has been seized for nonpayment of taxes)
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To: goodwithagun

What is your evidence that the dog in this story had been abused or specifically trained to fight?


109 posted on 08/13/2008 3:30:56 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he said: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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