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Georgian conflict leaves west reeling and Russia walking tall
Guardian ^ | 8/12/2008 | Ian Traynor, Ian Black

Posted on 08/12/2008 6:47:40 PM PDT by a_Turk

The Kremlin's decision today to call a halt to its five-day assault on Georgia leaves Russia calling the shots in the energy-rich Black Sea littoral and Caspian basin.

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Nato and the EU

The Russians see the Caucasus test as a zero-sum game and have won. That means lose-lose for the west. A key objective for Putin was to destabilise Georgia to invalidate its aim of joining Nato. He may have succeeded.

The Americans suffered a rare defeat in April at a Nato summit when George Bush argued strongly for starting Georgia towards alliance membership and was defeated by Angela Merkel of Germany and Sarkozy of France.

"This is the first time ever that an American president's request was rejected because France and Germany stuck together," said a senior source at the Elysee Palace in Paris.

In a tough statement yesterday, John McCain said the Nato rebuff to Georgia "might have been viewed as a green light by Russia for its attacks on Georgia. I urge the Nato allies to revisit the decision."

But the French and the Germans feel vindicated in rejecting Georgia and are unlikely to bend.

"A country that has such problems and is led by a hot-headed militant does not belong in Nato," said Rahr in Berlin. "It could take the whole alliance hostage and start the third world war."

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(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia
KEYWORDS: appeaseniks; geopolitics; georgia; guardian; nato; ossetia; russia; thewest; usa
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Great picture.

You KNOW these wo agreed on the date and time Bush was to make his speech.

Btw, you should also know by now that the EU is heir apparent to NATO.
1 posted on 08/12/2008 6:47:41 PM PDT by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk

I predict this is a ruse, prepare for Georgia to be crushed.

The Russians will say on the initial refusal of Georgia to their terms, we tried and they didn’t want peace.

After all, this is the Russian way.

If anyone thinks this is over, you will be sorely mistaken.

Think about it, how can they allow outsiders to pick over their actions in Georgia, there is too much terrible evidence.

Raping Women, etc.. Georgia is done. They are using this to reduce the resistance as much as possible on their way to the capital.

You wait, they will have the President of Georgia in Moscow within a month if he doesn’t commit suicide. And if you think he is going to the US Embassy, the Russians are making sure he doesn’t get there.

If I was them, get ready to defend yourself rather than patting yourselves on the back.

The Russians are quietly laughing to themselves.

I hate them.


2 posted on 08/12/2008 6:49:22 PM PDT by dila813
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To: a_Turk

Jeepers, the Guardian cannot even bring itself to capitalize “West.”


3 posted on 08/12/2008 6:49:26 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: a_Turk

that’s the headline from a socialist rag.


4 posted on 08/12/2008 6:49:48 PM PDT by ken21 (people die and you never hear from them again.)
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To: dila813

What happened to that wonderful soul of Pooty-Poot?


5 posted on 08/12/2008 6:51:51 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Michael Steele for VP)
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To: a_Turk
This is all because George Bush gave Putin the silly pet name "Pooty Poot".

Putin has been pi**ed off ever since.

6 posted on 08/12/2008 6:52:46 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: a_Turk

W was right again.

W will go down as a great statesman.


7 posted on 08/12/2008 6:55:47 PM PDT by y6162 (uot)
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To: a_Turk

Actually, President Bush looks pissed at Putin in that picture, to me.


8 posted on 08/12/2008 6:57:03 PM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: a_Turk
Ah, the Guardian. Don't forget the European and American Left still have their lips planted firmly on the buttocks of the rotting corpse of the Soviet Union.

The Russians could report that Jesus walked with them and the Guardian would report it as fact.

9 posted on 08/12/2008 6:57:39 PM PDT by pierrem15 (Charles Martel: past and future of France)
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To: a_Turk
In a tough statement yesterday, John McCain said the Nato rebuff to Georgia "might have been viewed as a green light by Russia for its attacks on Georgia. I urge the Nato allies to revisit the decision."

The good news is that if McCain is smoking that much pot and gets elected president, we might get rid of the "War on Drugs". Germany is averaging 1.4 children per family right now. Anybody who thinks they're going to put any of those 1.4 children into harms way for the sake of Georgia is smoking too much reefer.

10 posted on 08/12/2008 6:58:03 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: pierrem15

As it was in George Orwell’s day. Old Stalinists fade slowly.


11 posted on 08/12/2008 7:07:03 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: dila813
If anyone thinks this is over, you will be sorely mistaken.

I fear you may be right. Russia looks like it extended past its supplies and resupply lines. A cease fire that leaves Russia's military in place looks a lot like a pause for them to reinforce and resupply.

There is no doubt that Russia made amove on Gori and Tblisi over the last few days, but stopped short, possibly because they were not sure they could do it. Could be that they want to beef up before hitting the main cities.

I hope not. But the old saying is "hope for the best, prepare for the worst".
12 posted on 08/12/2008 7:11:05 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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Guardian communists with their usual bilgewater. Russia wanted to swallow Georgia hole. The heat of the reaction convinced them that now is not the time. Which wasn't a victory for the Russian murder squads, it was a victory for freedom. Eastern Europe got a good look at what Russia still is, and they won't be moving an inch in its direction for a generation, because of it.
13 posted on 08/12/2008 7:11:27 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: a_Turk
A patient man to beware, and an utter reptile.
14 posted on 08/12/2008 7:13:11 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: a_Turk

Wouldn’t this just be the greatest opportunity for pound a few Iranian nuke sites into the 7th century? Russia would probably thank us for taking the heat off of them.


15 posted on 08/12/2008 7:24:31 PM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: a_Turk

Yeah, the President looks pissed. And, yes, the Guardian is just carrying on where Izvestia and Pravda left off.


16 posted on 08/12/2008 7:27:03 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (A kid at McDonalds has more real-world work experience than Barack Hussein.)
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To: wendy1946
Germany is averaging 1.4 children per family right now. Anybody who thinks they're going to put any of those 1.4 children into harms way for the sake of Georgia is smoking too much reefer.

Okay, sure.

Link

17 posted on 08/12/2008 7:27:29 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: a_Turk

Putin is very weak-chinned.


18 posted on 08/12/2008 7:31:09 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: a_Turk
Btw, you should also know by now that the EU is heir apparent to NATO.

The stupid cultured Euros are going to let themselves get into another raging continent-wide war through their "sophistication". Damned idiots.

19 posted on 08/12/2008 7:31:25 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: advance_copy

An Ambassador spoke of Russian humanitarian aide (the reason) to shore up the infrastructure of roads and rail through the Caucasus recently. He now knows why and isn’t happy at this Hitler-isk action.


20 posted on 08/12/2008 7:35:25 PM PDT by eyedigress
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