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To: driftdiver

My guess is that one of the first things Calvo said to the police officers was that he was the mayor. I think it was just another botched SWAT raid.


6 posted on 08/11/2008 4:44:47 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

You’re probably right. Its more offensive because it happens all the time and if you’re not mayor you are not heard.


8 posted on 08/11/2008 4:56:18 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasnÂ’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: Ken H
I think it was just another "botched SWAT raid."

Isn't this sort of an oxymoron? Like a "robbery gone wrong?"

One of these days the jbts will hit a house belonging to some moderately suspcicious survivalist type who believes that the "government is out to get him," and who has taken proper defensive precautions. They probably won't be crowing about how exciting it was then.

9 posted on 08/11/2008 5:08:39 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: Ken H
I think it was just another botched SWAT raid.

Have we gotten to the point where we are accepting "botched SWAT raids"? I would hope not. We need to de-militarize our PDs and SOs, get them back into UNMASKED uniforms, accountable to WE THE PEOPLE.

I find it amazing that our miltary, in the midst of a shooting war (in Iraq and Afghanistan) can conduct themselves with amazing restraint and yet be very effective. Yet, the least little PERCEIVED "bobble" and they are brought up on (wrongful) charges. Why do we not hold our PDs and SOs at least to the same standard of behavior with the exception of being brought up on wrongful charges of course. No excuse.

Our soldiers/Marines are very effective because they patrol AMONG the people, either on foot or in vehicles, matching the methods to the conditions. They get to know the shop owners and residents in their AO. I have family involved in these situations and I'm no stranger to the officers and men who are part of that. We've talked a length about these very differences.

I have also dealt with SO and PD officers that had NO CLUE as to who lived where or where folks belonged, worked, etc., and this was in a rural area where a deputy or small town patrolman should know every family. Yet, good street cops in some larger cities could tell me the store owners, their families and who didn't "belong there" and I noticed that they had the respect of the people, who also knew them because they were part of the community, not some mysterious "authority" driving down the street anonymously behind dark-tinted windows. No, it's time to get back to CIVILIAN law enforcement techniques. If one wants to militarize himself then enlist in the Army/Marines but you'll find that they are under far stricter restraints and ROE.

10 posted on 08/11/2008 5:14:22 AM PDT by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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