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To: count-your-change
"Valcent looks to have the best process for producing oil from algae and predicts a $1.70/gal. cost or $71 a barrel plus refining costs. About a year ago The American Association for the Advancement of Science said the Fischer-Tropsch process was competitive when oil was $65/barrel so the cost of production of liquid fuel is likely below that of algae oil bio-fuel. And Sasol has operated profitably for some time even before high crude prices."

Given that the Valcent process is completely experimental, I suspect that the error bars on the estimate are far larger than for "coal-to-fuel".

"True, the process is more complicated than squeezing algae but we do have a supply of coal on hand for hundreds of years and a process with a proven track record."

I'm not opposed to coal-to-fuel, by any means. I favor ANYTHING that increase the energy supply. But eventually we "will" run out of coal. If we run out of sunlight, we've got a bigger problem.

"Sewage, as in human wastes, might be in short supply around feed lots but the cities have a constant supply and plenty of volume. Probably cheap if anyone wants it."

Sorry, but here I AM skeptical. Exactly how much methane production can be gotten from, say, Pittsburg??? I frankly doubt that it is enough to matter.

"If low CO2 production is only advantage to algae oil then there is no advantage as CO2 is a fine fertilizer for our crops and forests. And the plants that became coal took lots of CO2 from the atmosphere so turning coal into fuel is just returning CO2 from whence it came. More CO2, more plants for food for animals and humans, greener earth, all good."

You asked for an advantage, and I gave it. The people pushing the "global warming agenda" don't buy any of the above. I happen not to be one of those.

"If you think algae oil is the coming thing PetroSun’s stock just shot up to $.15 from $.14/share. And Valcent’s stock is a whopping $.50/share. Do you suppose there's a reason investor aren't snapping up these bargains?"

See my first point about the overall uncertainty about costs and profits.

78 posted on 08/10/2008 4:11:47 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Valcent has been running a test plant, El Paso I think, and they harvested algae at the rate of 276 tons/acre. Valcent said that would translate into 33,000 gallons of oil with the right algae.
Glen Kertz, pres./ceo of Valcent said in an interview that getting production costs down to petroleum was the goal so apparently they've quite a way to go. But they will be interesting to watch.
Renton, Washington (700 thousand people, 86 million gallons of sewage/day) is running a sewage to gas pilot project. Here is an bit of info.,
“New Gas-Turbine Generator
The South Treatment Plant, among the 33 largest sewage plants in the nation, produces about 770,400 cubic feet of digester gas per day, but uses only 18% to 20% of this supply to run the fuel cell. Under ideal conditions, the rest of the gas is now sold to Puget Sound Energy—but by the end of 2005, most of it will be burned in a new dual-fuel gas-turbine generator capable of burning digester gas or natural gas.......
The South Treatment Plant’s average daily power consumption is 7.5 MW, but during storms its demand can rise to a peak of 24 MW. Together, the 1 MW fuel cell and the new 8-MW gas-turbine generator will more than cover the plant’s entire electricity base load, though it will continue to rely on PSE for peaking power.” (www.foresterpress.com/de_0511_fuel.html - 41k)
Pittsburgh with its population of around 300 to 350 thousand would have more than enough sewage to produce useful amounts of gas.
So whether algae oil will pan out is highly questionable. By the Valcent’s most optimistic projections it would cost $2.4 trillion to supply just 1% of U.S. transportation fuels and three times that cost by realistic estimates.
$2.4 trillion is about what the federal government took in in taxes last year.
90 posted on 08/10/2008 10:46:49 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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