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To: dan1123
You could have posted a picture of a snowflake or a crystal too, but all of those are not what ID is arguing about. It is not that cells are "orderly" or "clean", but that it is a complex machine that down to the individual molecule does exactly the tasks that are needed and nothing extraneous--compounded by the fact that extraneous functions would likely kill the organism. This is about information and its order-like the difference between randomized bits (or in your case, a repeating pattern of bits) and a well-engineered computer program.

Actually, that's not true. Cells do not work in a perfect fashion, nor do they do nothing extraneous. If cells did nothing extraneous--if they worked perfectly--we would not age, get diseases like cancer, or die. The amount of non-functional DNA in cells is huge. Cells "make mistakes" all the time: misfolded proteins, mutated DNA, etc. As machines with a supposedly ideal design for our function, we're pretty poorly engineered, when you get right down to it.

46 posted on 08/08/2008 10:45:58 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
Actually, that's not true. Cells do not work in a perfect fashion, nor do they do nothing extraneous. If cells did nothing extraneous--if they worked perfectly--we would not age, get diseases like cancer, or die. The amount of non-functional DNA in cells is huge.

That's not true. Read up on something a little more modern than a 20 year old biology text please.

48 posted on 08/08/2008 10:51:20 AM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: exDemMom

In fact it is specifically mutated DNA, a “mistake” in the coding process that leads directly to evolution. Most mutations are bad for the species, but some are good and offer an advantage and this mutation is passed along the genetic chain into future generations.


49 posted on 08/08/2008 10:54:13 AM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: exDemMom

In fact it is specifically mutated DNA, a “mistake” in the coding process that leads directly to evolution. Most mutations are bad for the species, but some are good and offer an advantage and this mutation is passed along the genetic chain into future generations.


50 posted on 08/08/2008 10:54:24 AM PDT by agooga (Struggling every day to be worthy of their sacrifice.)
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To: exDemMom
The amount of non-functional DNA in cells is huge.

Does having a subscription to Science and Journal of Biological Chemistry count?

Perhaps you missed this: "The ENCODE consortium's major findings include the discovery that the majority of DNA in the human genome is transcribed into functional molecules..."

105 posted on 08/11/2008 9:13:45 AM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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