Is it a valid question to then ask where the hypothetical uber-complex intellegent designer came from, or am I supposed to show reverence and stop there? If the hypothetical complex designer is somehow declared eternal and didn’t require a creator itself, what is the basis for that conclusion, other than pure faith?
Ok, if you think, and let me make it clear right now I am not a Christian or an ID believer, that you have asked a profound question I.E.: Where did the designer come from? I have one for you. Where did the material that supposedly formed the universe come from? Yes, the big bang theory says all matter was compressed into a very small area and then it exploded, but there the explanation stops. Where did all the dust and debris that compressed into this dime sized spot come from? The explosion didn't create it, it simply spread it out. So tell me in your wisdom, where did it come from? How did it get into space.
Another thing scientist keep alluding to "the Universe" as if the planets and stars were the only thing in the Universe, totally ignoring the space, the totally empty space that the stars, planets, asteroids, comets and meteors hang out in. That is part of the universe. Tell me what it is, where did this vast emptiness come from? And most importantly where did the material that comprises those asteroids, planets, comets, and suns come from?
Saying it exploded in the big bang does not account for its creation, it had to be born so to speak before it could be compressed into a dime sized spot and then explode. Answer this question and then I will happy to listen to evos and creationist, as of now I don't subscribe to either theory.
Philosophy, specifically logic. Given that any finite thing requires a cause that transcends that thing and given that you cannot traverse an actual infinity (if there were an infinite number of events preceding this one, we would never have gotten here) then there must have been an uncaused first cause that is infinite.