4 gunmen bust doors, yell ‘FBI,’ loot home (Why No-Knock Warrants need to be banned)

Arkansas Democrat Gazette ^ | 08 AUG 08 | JACOB QUINN SANDERS

[SmithL]

Undocumented non-knockers?

[TigersEye]

There are numerous ways to use architecture and landscaping to make forced entries difficult, time consuming and otherwise ineffective. In addition to targeted reinforcements.

[maine-iac7]

from a piece two years ago - “striking statistic from the article is that the number of SWAT raids per year has increased from 3,000 in the 1980s to “at least 40,000 per year” now”

What are they being trained to do? What's different from the SS Troops?

There is no excuse to disregard the Constitution and impact innocent people: NONE (This is Police State tactics and anyone who condones is of the same ilk that become the Brown Shirts and Jackboots in a society )

Here are a few examples of this unconstitutional Jack Booting - justify them.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4203345.html

http://www.startribune.com/local/26083024.html?location_refer=Homepage:highlightModules:1

http://www.reason.com/news/show/36869.html

http://fourthamendment.com/blog/index.php?blog=1&title=swat_team_in_atlanta_kills_92_year_old_w&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

http://www.wpcva.com/articles/2006/10/19/chatham/opinion/opinion01.txt

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080106/NEWS17/801060398/-1/NEWS

[Age of Reason]

Should we ban traffic stops, too, since those have been abused by criminals?

Maybe in the case of unmarked police cars, yes.

[Wiggins]

It will be a “blaze of glory”. Only you will be the blaze, lol.

[Kevmo]

bmflr

[absolootezer0]

in mi, after botching the raid by going to the wrong house, therefore failing to be able to use nearly a pound of marijuana they found, they come back the next day and raid the intended house, convict the kid on a couple grams worth found in the carpet.

success.

[Pearls Before Swine]

How would banning “no knock warrants” stop criminals from doing this type of thing?

Many armed people freeze when they think it is the police. This gives thug invaders an invaluable advantage. The breaking down of the door should be a signal for immediate self-defense, not a government inquiry.

[supercat]

yes. let's handcuff real law enforcement officers because 4 perps shout "FBI." ha. good one.

If your door is smashed in by some guys who yell "police" or "FBI" but don't let you actually see any evidence of their identity, are the intruders more likely to be:

1. Government agents with a no-knock search warrant, issued based upon an sworn testimony relating personal knowledge of the affiant sufficient to show that (1) a crime was probably committed, (2) a search would probably uncover evidence of such a crime, and (3) a no-knock raid was necessary to recover the evidence and ensure officer safety, or
2. A group of robbers who hope to disarm their victim by pretending to be cops

Which is it more likely to be? If #2 is more likely, the homeowner can't be blamed for believing the intruders to be robbers even if they happen to be cops. If #1 is more likely, that would imply that the intruders are agents of a police state. So which would you say is more likely?

[joma89]

What would anyone do if you had a weapon in the house and someone burst into the home forcefully yelling “POLICE!!!” Would you believe it truly was the police?

JoMa

[clee1]

Exactly my policy, too.

[Gilbo_3]

3}...the only casualty is the Constitution ...

[Gilbo_3]

failing to be able to use nearly a pound of marijuana they found,

Might not have been good evidence today, but Im sure it got used...one way or the other...

Honestly, back in the day, I saw more guys let go home when told to 'give it up, cause if I find it, you goto jail'...

one night, probly a half dozen guys all reached down their pants in almost a synchronised movement...Mr leo 'scored' big that night...didnt see him around for a couple weeks either...

[brityank]

tell me how many successful raids occur on a daily basis. hundreds.

"If a widespread pattern of [knock-and-announce] violations were shown . . . there would be reason for grave concern."

—Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, in Hudson v. Michigan, June 15, 2006.

 

Is there 'grave concern' yet?

[gogeo]

An important addition!

[SoldierDad]

Coming from a family with a law enforcement tradition, we will not find agreement here.