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4 gunmen bust doors, yell ‘FBI,’ loot home (Why No-Knock Warrants need to be banned)
Arkansas Democrat Gazette ^ | 08 AUG 08 | JACOB QUINN SANDERS

Posted on 08/08/2008 9:20:58 AM PDT by DCBryan1

4 gunmen bust doors, yell ‘FBI,’ loot home

BY JACOB QUINN SANDERS
ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE

Two men kicked in the front door, splintering it near the bolt-lock. Two more kicked in a side door. All four had guns. It was 3 a.m. “FBI! FBI!” the men shouted, one pulling what looked like a badge out of his shirt before stuffing it back in. “Where’s your money?”

Lloyd McCuien lay facedown on the living-room floor of his Pulaski County house — off Arkansas 365 outside Maumelle and within sight of Interstate 40 — surrounded by seven family members. “It took me about 10 or 20 seconds to get my mind woken up,” McCuien, 42, said, “to realize that the real FBI didn’t wear a red bandanna over their face and a white T-shirt. These weren’t the FBI. They were self-employed.” And this was a robbery, one the Pulaski County sheriff’s office is investigating.

The gunmen ransacked the house and searched room to room to gather all the occupants in one place, pulling some out of bed at gunpoint. One of the men was heavyset, McCuien said. The other three were skinny. “They sounded young,” Mc-Cuien said. A bear of a man — he looks uncannily like The Green Mile actor Michael Clarke Duncan — McCuien tried to steal an occasional peek to see if he could see a face. “Look down,” one gunman said. A few minutes later, he tried again. “I said look down!” the gunman said, following his remark with a smack on the back of Mc-Cuien’s head with a handgun. McCuien said he heard someone say pull out the duct tape. “Either they couldn’t get the tape to work or something because they decided not to tie us up,” he said.

About then, a neighbor returned home, McCuien said, and the gunmen — organized to the point of choreography until then — started bickering. “One of them said it was time to go, time to go,” McCuien said. “But another one said no, he wasn’t leaving without taking something.” The gunmen grabbed an Xbox video-game console, baseball caps and clothes, a .45-caliber handgun and McCuien’s wallet. “They took my TV off the wall like they put it there,” he said. “Just real quick, smooth and easy.”

A vehicle with a hatchback pulled up outside, and the men left in it. According to a sheriff’s office report, the robbers left behind the duct tape, a black leather bag and a glove. “They took my nephew’s clothes, man,” McCuien said. “The TV I understand. Plasma, 42-inch. But his clothes? What are they going to do with those? Wear them?” McCuien said he believes his house was targeted specifically, though he doesn’t know the reason. “I don’t know exactly why or by who, but somebody who knows somebody or somebody who’s somebody’s cousin thought we had something in here they wanted,” he said. “This kind of thing doesn’t really happen around here.”

Sheriff ’s office spokesman John Rehrauer concurred, saying violent acts are unusual in that area. The sheriff’s office does not keep track of home-invasion robberies, Rehrauer said, but crime statistics kept by the agency showed 15 robberies of people in Pulaski County in 2008 through June, a decrease of seven from the same period a year earlier.

FBI special agent Steve Frazier, spokesman for the agency’s Little Rock field office, said he had not been notified of any possible impersonations of bureau personnel.

After the gunmen left, McCuien said, he called 911. The respondents “were real law enforcement this time — uniforms, patrol cars, everything,” he said. Deputies had made no arrests by late Thursday. McCuien said his house on Ingram Road was recently remodeled, but he didn’t suspect any of the white and Hispanic crew that worked on it.

“No, man, these were all brothers who came up in here this morning,” he said. “Sorry to say.” And, he said, he tends not to keep large amounts of cash in his house. “Where would I get it?” he asked. “I’m out of work right now, just like almost everybody else, it seems. I have no idea why somebody thought I was rich.”

McCuien said he grew up in the same neighborhood of calm and winding, sidewalkless roads, old and moldering mobile homes, and clean, newer brick houses on large lots. He lived in Phoenix for 11 years, he said, owning a dumptruck firm. He moved back about six years ago, he said, after his father had a stroke. He stayed after a sister got sick, and when she died, he moved into her house.

“This is the first I’ve heard of something like this happening around here,” he said. “I wasn’t really thinking I’d make history in this neighborhood.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: banglist; donutwatch; fbi; jackbootedthugs; jbt; jbts; leo; noknock; noknockraids; noknockwarrants; raid; swat; wod
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To: DCBryan1

Undocumented non-knockers?


61 posted on 08/08/2008 10:52:26 AM PDT by SmithL (Drill Dammit!)
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To: lesser_satan

There are numerous ways to use architecture and landscaping to make forced entries difficult, time consuming and otherwise ineffective. In addition to targeted reinforcements.


62 posted on 08/08/2008 11:01:38 AM PDT by TigersEye (Berlin '36 ... Olympics for murdering regimes. ... Beijing '08)
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To: thefactor
from a piece two years ago - “striking statistic from the article is that the number of SWAT raids per year has increased from 3,000 in the 1980s to “at least 40,000 per year” now”

What are they being trained to do? What's different from the SS Troops?

There is no excuse to disregard the Constitution and impact innocent people: NONE (This is Police State tactics and anyone who condones is of the same ilk that become the Brown Shirts and Jackboots in a society )

Here are a few examples of this unconstitutional Jack Booting - justify them.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/4203345.html

http://www.startribune.com/local/26083024.html?location_refer=Homepage:highlightModules:1

http://www.reason.com/news/show/36869.html

http://fourthamendment.com/blog/index.php?blog=1&title=swat_team_in_atlanta_kills_92_year_old_w&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

http://www.wpcva.com/articles/2006/10/19/chatham/opinion/opinion01.txt

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080106/NEWS17/801060398/-1/NEWS

63 posted on 08/08/2008 11:08:01 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terribly agitated)
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To: Yo-Yo; wilco200
Should we ban traffic stops, too, since those have been abused by criminals?

Maybe in the case of unmarked police cars, yes.

64 posted on 08/08/2008 11:14:15 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Rick.Donaldson

It will be a “blaze of glory”. Only you will be the blaze, lol.


65 posted on 08/08/2008 11:23:10 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: DCBryan1

bmflr


66 posted on 08/08/2008 11:33:58 AM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Gilbo_3

in mi, after botching the raid by going to the wrong house, therefore failing to be able to use nearly a pound of marijuana they found, they come back the next day and raid the intended house, convict the kid on a couple grams worth found in the carpet.

success.


67 posted on 08/08/2008 11:42:01 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: onlylewis
How would banning “no knock warrants” stop criminals from doing this type of thing?

Many armed people freeze when they think it is the police. This gives thug invaders an invaluable advantage. The breaking down of the door should be a signal for immediate self-defense, not a government inquiry.

68 posted on 08/08/2008 2:25:52 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: thefactor
yes. let's handcuff real law enforcement officers because 4 perps shout "FBI." ha. good one.

If your door is smashed in by some guys who yell "police" or "FBI" but don't let you actually see any evidence of their identity, are the intruders more likely to be:

  1. Government agents with a no-knock search warrant, issued based upon an sworn testimony relating personal knowledge of the affiant sufficient to show that (1) a crime was probably committed, (2) a search would probably uncover evidence of such a crime, and (3) a no-knock raid was necessary to recover the evidence and ensure officer safety, or
  2. A group of robbers who hope to disarm their victim by pretending to be cops
Which is it more likely to be? If #2 is more likely, the homeowner can't be blamed for believing the intruders to be robbers even if they happen to be cops. If #1 is more likely, that would imply that the intruders are agents of a police state. So which would you say is more likely?
69 posted on 08/08/2008 3:28:17 PM PDT by supercat
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To: DCBryan1

What would anyone do if you had a weapon in the house and someone burst into the home forcefully yelling “POLICE!!!” Would you believe it truly was the police?

JoMa


70 posted on 08/08/2008 5:06:20 PM PDT by joma89
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To: M203M4

Exactly my policy, too.


71 posted on 08/08/2008 5:14:38 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: gogeo

3}...the only casualty is the Constitution ...


72 posted on 08/08/2008 8:39:59 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Trust in the Lord...vote yer conscience...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: absolootezer0
failing to be able to use nearly a pound of marijuana they found,

Might not have been good evidence today, but Im sure it got used...one way or the other...

Honestly, back in the day, I saw more guys let go home when told to 'give it up, cause if I find it, you goto jail'...

one night, probly a half dozen guys all reached down their pants in almost a synchronised movement...Mr leo 'scored' big that night...didnt see him around for a couple weeks either...

73 posted on 08/08/2008 8:52:38 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Trust in the Lord...vote yer conscience...=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: thefactor
tell me how many successful raids occur on a daily basis. hundreds.


74 posted on 08/08/2008 9:11:16 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Gilbo_3

An important addition!


75 posted on 08/09/2008 9:14:04 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: LoyalRepublican

Coming from a family with a law enforcement tradition, we will not find agreement here.


77 posted on 08/12/2008 6:58:31 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Soldier soon to be training other Army Soldiers)
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