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To: count-your-change; neverdem; Mr Ramsbotham; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; allmendream; All
You really need to learn how to format your posts. All you have to do is put a paragraph break <p> between your paragraphs, and you will find that a lot more people will read your posts.

==Kaposi's Sarcoma (KS) is one of those opportunistic infections listed by WHO as an indicator of HIV infection and AIDS.

But as I already pointed out, it is common practice in Africa to label patients with any number of AIDS-defining diseases as having AIDS without testing for HIV. Among those who they go back and test for HIV, many turn out to be HIV-negative. Case in point (Dr. Bialy=AID Rethinker scientist; Dr de Cock =director of the WHO Department of HIV/AIDS):

Dr. Harvey Bialy: "There are thousands of documented cases from the Third World, from Africa in particular, of clinically reportable AIDS in which HIV testing has been done and found to be negative. I think it's amongst the strongest arguments that HIV is irrelevant to the development of AIDS in at least some cases if not all cases."

Dr. de Cock maintains that those HIV negative cases may have looked like AIDS but they were simply conditions which were drawn into the net when collecting numbers of patients for research purposes and not for patient care.

Question: "These 2400 cases were called AIDS, for all intents and purposes, in all the literature. And yet you're saying they shouldn't have been called AIDS. But they were identical to AIDS. So, are you saying..."

Dr. Kevin de Cock: "But they were HIV negative."

Question: "So, are you saying there have been 2400 misdiagnoses?"

Dr. Kevin de Cock: "Are you talking about - we're talking about the quality of surveillance data."

Question: "The documented cases of full blown AIDS which, when tested, were HIV negative."

Dr. Kevin de Cock: "Well then they're not AIDS cases. They're not AIDS in the way we talk about HIV disease."

Question: "But they were called AIDS in the documents. They were called clinical case definition Bangui AIDS. Do you see?"

Dr. Kevin de Cock: "Of course I see. Any case definition particularly one which is clinically based is not going to be perfect."

Dr. Harvey Bialy: "When one has clinically identical pictures one with HIV antibodies, one without HIV anti-bodies - to call one AIDS and one not AIDS is patent absurdity. This is irrefutable proof that HIV is not necessary for the presence of AIDS, except by definition."

http://www.duesberg.com/media/jsafrica.html

 

==Comparison with data from the era of AIDS indicates 20-fold increases in the occurrence of Kaposi's sarcoma in Uganda and Zimbabwe...A twenty fold increase after compared to before. Poverty and poor nutrician didn't increase twenty fold nor does anyone claim drug use did. The culprit was HIV just as it is in the U.S.. The claim is repeated that malnourishment is the cause of AIDS.

If you read the scientific literature on KS in Africa, you will repeatedly find them talking about poor nutrition being associated with Kaposi's Sarcoma. For example:

"The role of nutritional factors in the management of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome-related, or epidemic, Kaposi's sarcoma (EKS) is complex, since there are known interactions between malnutrition, immunodeficiency, and cancer. Malnutrition is a well-established cause of immune aberrations, which are seen in deficiencies of both protein and energy, as well as specific nutrients, particularly trace metals."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3110957

Plus, let's not forget that Kaposi's was endemic to sub-Saharan Africa long before the advent of AIDS...and still is:

"Endemic African Kaposi's sarcoma is a common neoplastic disorder in the sub-Saharan region of Africa. We present a retrospective analysis of 47 black patients with the endemic African (HIV-negative) variant of Kaposi's sarcoma treated and followed up in the Johannesburg General Hospital between 1980 and 1990."

Finally, has it ever occurred to you that the twenty-fold increase in KS cases might have something to do with the explosion of foreign AID being sent to Africa to "fight" AIDS? How many surveillance troops do you suppose were on the ground scouring Africa for AIDS-related diseases before AIDS? Duesberg reports that African nations get to collect foreign AID in part based on the number of AIDS cases they report. One can only imagine the effect this has had on the accuracy of AIDS surveillance in Africa. Indeed, now that Bush's 50 billion dollar global AIDS bill has passed, I bet there will be an even bigger "explosion" of KS cases.

Bottom line: AIDS Rethinker scientists and medical doctors say AIDS is caused primarily by poverty and malnutrition in Africa. AIDS establishment scientists say that the malnutrition associated with KS is caused by AIDS. You have to ask yourself, given the poverty endemic to Africa, which one is the more likely scenario? All AIDS Rethinkers are asking for is that studies be devised to determine once and for all which side is right--something the AIDS establishment has steadfastly REFUSED to do for two decades now. Given what's at stake, is that really too much to ask for?

125 posted on 08/04/2008 7:56:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: All

I forgot to include a link....Link to last quote can be found here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3110957


126 posted on 08/04/2008 8:02:59 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I’m really not concerned with how many, if any, people read my posts, I don’t have a ego counter on them. And I’ve wasted enough time with Moe, Curly and Larry in my last post that I have no interest in their second act. They weren’t all that impressive in the first. Good nite.


127 posted on 08/04/2008 9:30:02 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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