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Barack Obama`s 10 Point Plan to "Change" The Second Amendment
NRA ILA ^ | 28 July, 2008 | Wayne LaPierre

Posted on 07/31/2008 4:41:40 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: MrB

I always thought gun control advocates should be bold enough to put a large sign on their front lawn that states, “There are no guns in this house.”


21 posted on 07/31/2008 6:26:12 AM PDT by From The Deer Stand
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To: marktwain

Has not Obama forgotten that the Second Admendment question has been “settled” not that long ago by the Supremes.


22 posted on 07/31/2008 6:42:25 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

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23 posted on 07/31/2008 6:44:03 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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To: MrB

That b!tch controls osamabama.

LLS


24 posted on 07/31/2008 6:44:29 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (REAGANISM... NOT communism!!!)
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To: Fresh Wind

Interesting allegation, but what is the source? Imputing such intentions without confirmation is not viable political discourse.


25 posted on 07/31/2008 6:58:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: wolfcreek

That “Come And Take It” flag is evidence, contrary to what many allegedly pro-RKBA people claim, that the Founding Fathers intended the 2ndA to include much more than man-portable single-user small arms.


26 posted on 07/31/2008 6:59:27 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Fresh Wind

27 posted on 07/31/2008 7:02:27 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

FOPA ‘86 did a great deal to protect RKBA. Unfortunately, the Hughes Amendment (aka 922(o)) was added as a “poison pill” to either kill the bill or kill MG ownership; given the options and political realities, the NRA opted for the latter. Sometimes choosing the best option means accepting the lesser of two evils. Some theorized that accepting the MG ban was tolerable because it could so easily be overturned in court shortly thereafter; unfortunately, it was never suitably challenged and turned into a social “third rail” issue.


28 posted on 07/31/2008 7:03:59 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: bk1000

The confiscations also came to an abrupt halt when it was made clear, behind the scenes, that many of the police departments involved in Katrina recovery were not going to let such atrocities continue.


29 posted on 07/31/2008 7:06:49 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
“Maybe I'm misreading something here. Does this part of the article mean that the NRA is in favor of the 86 machine gun ban? I don't know what else that bill has in it, but I can't believe that the NRA supports banning a whole class of weapons???? Someone help me out here???”


The 1986 machinegun ban was added to the GOPA by a shady voice vote engineered by the infamous “Tip” O’Neal after the reforms had been forced through by the NRA. I have tape of it somewhere, I watched it on CSPAN. It was truly disgraceful. If there ever was a horrific abuse of parliamentary procedure, this was it.

30 posted on 07/31/2008 7:06:56 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain; ctdonath2

Thanks for the info guys...


31 posted on 07/31/2008 7:09:10 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: marktwain
Does anyone on FR remember seeing the “Left Behind” series on video? I know it had had some faults when compared with Scripture, however the storyline is a real thought provoker. What keeps going over and over in my mind is the character playing the Antichrist.

It's been a long time and my memory is not what it used to be, however, I recall the Antichrist in the “Left Behind” series being very much like Obama - his personal charm, manipulation of people, speech patterns, etc.

Is there anyone out there who recalls what I describe? It is scary. I'm thinking of finding another copy and reviewing it to see if my recollection is on target.

32 posted on 07/31/2008 7:15:32 AM PDT by elpadre (nation)
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To: SIDENET

Yes We must all pull together and protect our God given rights! http://my.att.net/p/PWP-freedomfirst


33 posted on 07/31/2008 7:23:03 AM PDT by mikebeam
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To: marktwain

Hold your nose. Vote for McCain.

Can I get a bumper sticker with that message?


34 posted on 07/31/2008 7:26:19 AM PDT by chesley ( Ya can't make chick'n dumplin's outta chick'n feathers!!)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
35 posted on 07/31/2008 8:11:24 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain

These totalitarian bastards just never quit, do they?


36 posted on 07/31/2008 8:11:50 AM PDT by Gritty (Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual - Michelle Obama)
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To: frankiep
I know that Michelle Obama is a hateful witch, but I am stunned that she actually said this. This sounds like a direct threat more than anything else.

What terrifies me is the fact that I know a couple of lovely, smart, sane people who think that what she said was just ducky.
37 posted on 07/31/2008 8:17:34 AM PDT by Mariebl
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To: Gritty
“These totalitarian bastards just never quit, do they?”


Yes, they do quit, and sometimes even get converted. David Horowitz was pretty high up in leftist circles when he had is “road to damascus” moment and became a conservative.

Mike Royco was a staunchly anti-gun for most of his career, but became a fan of the 2nd Amendment just a few years before he died.

Al Capp became disenchanted with liberalism, and the cartoon strip “Lil’ Abner” started having conservative themes late in his career.

Still, “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance” is as true as it ever was.

38 posted on 07/31/2008 8:23:39 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: MrB

“That’s not the Michele I knew...”


39 posted on 07/31/2008 8:27:33 AM PDT by Noumenon (Time for Atlas to shrug - and pick up a gun.)
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To: Fresh Wind

For Obama,

The Gun is Civilization
by Marko Kloos of the
Munchkin Wrangler blog

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat—it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation...and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.


40 posted on 07/31/2008 9:15:19 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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