[Secret Agent Man]

C’mon, there is not much difference between National Socialists and Soviet Socialists. They are both socialists. They were both terribly nationalistic.

[SAJ]

With respect, SAM, that is not so. Hitler's NSDAP was wildly nationalistic; the Sovs, and ftm the German Communists in the '20s and '30s, viewed nationalism more or less as a disease, only to be summoned to rally the 'proletariat' in an emergency.

In fact, this very distinction was the origin of the original 'left' vs. 'right' dichotomy, the 'left' being of course 'progressive' and the 'right' rigid and traditionalist.

It was all a crock, of course, but -- just as we see today -- pinning a label on one's opponents has nothing at all to do with accuracy, 'truth', or anything else except perceived political advantage.

Technically, btw, and by strict defintion, our 'friend' Osamabama is politically a Fascist. The Fascists differed from the socialists and state socialists in that the socialists demanded ownership of the means of production, whereas the Fascists only demanded control over the means of production. The Fascists didn't give a hoot for who owned which factory or whatever.

You can find a number of Hitler's speeches, esp at Party rallies in Nurnberg, on the 'Net. Read them, if you get the occasional moment: they are VERY instructive regarding today's politicians.

FReegards!

[Centurion2000]

C’mon, there is not much difference between National Socialists and Soviet Socialists. They are both socialists. They were both terribly nationalistic.

Actually they were opposites in that one respect.
Communists used the international solidarity movement to agitate for communist uprisings. Nazis appealed to nationalism.

That International vs National movement led to the left/right division in the fight for socialism.