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To: AndrewC

Reaching back and looking back give you the same result.

I didn’t understand about the “pointing guns” and “only Ramos” admitted to pointing a gun — It is clear Compean pointed and shot his gun at Davila as well.

I don’t have any particular reason to believe Davila, but the jury didn’t find Ramos and Compean to be compelling witnesses apparently.


135 posted on 07/30/2008 11:18:14 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT; calcowgirl
Reaching back and looking back give you the same result.

Except that Davila explicitly denies even looking back until he was on the ground. It points to his credibility. The fact remains, two officers shot at him for their same independent assessments.

The "pointing guns" is another situation leading to the incredibility of the government witnesses. The government witnesses, Davila and the other two agents, disagree on the pointing guns. The testimony of Ramos and Compean do not enter this calculation. This particular part of the testimony relates to the officers behind Davila and does not include Compean who was in front of Davila at the ditch but does include Ramos who admits to having his pistol out. Juarez denies even touching his weapon and Vasquez denies being at the scene until he heard multiple shots just as he opened his vehicle door. He did not see any shooter.

We already know what the jury found. So mentioning what the jury found is irrelevant to me. It is similar to saying that Fred crossed the road because he saw that it was clear in a situation where I say the truck that hit him didn't care what Fred thought he saw.

In the final analyis only three people could witness on what happened on the vega, two officers and a suspect. The jury chose to believe the suspect. I am giving reasons using the total testimony to illustrate why the jury was wrong.

137 posted on 07/31/2008 12:59:22 AM PDT by AndrewC
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