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To: Fundamentally Fair
I know there are folks here who will never respect the USAF and just figure this is part of a history of lax discipline. I don't think it is. I signed up 27 years ago and spent my first 9 years in SAC and this stuff wasn't tolerated.

As recently as 2003-2004, I thought we had the finest group of young officers and NCOs that I had ever seen.

Something has gone terribly wrong since that time.

2 posted on 07/24/2008 3:38:51 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If given a choice between a POW and a POS, I'll take the POW.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

In your time problems were probably taken care of internally. Now they have the media looking over their shoulder.


3 posted on 07/24/2008 3:42:53 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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In your time problems were probably taken care of internally. Now they have the media looking over their shoulder.


4 posted on 07/24/2008 3:44:50 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Fundamentally Fair

I bet the ghost of Curtis LeMay is going to hand someone a can of “ Womp-a-Ass”


7 posted on 07/24/2008 3:47:26 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (RIGHT: Wots all this then?)
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I’m surprised the commanding officers at the base, and specifically in charge of that ordinance, haven’t been transferred to an AntArctic station by now.


9 posted on 07/24/2008 3:49:30 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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Skyking Skyking, Do Not Answer....

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15 posted on 07/24/2008 4:01:18 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Fundamentally Fair

From what I saw on my AEF deployment with the Air Guard, the Army, Navy, and Marines have gone to war. The Air Force has gone to c*#p. The complete lack of discipline and anything resembling a wartime mentality was shocking.


33 posted on 07/24/2008 4:28:12 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Fundamentally Fair
"As recently as 2003-2004, I thought we had the finest group of young officers and NCOs that I had ever seen. Something has gone terribly wrong since that time."

A'HEM!!!

November 21, 2004
The U.S. Air Force Academy is warning Christian cadets to curb their faith. Officials at the Colorado Springs military college have instituted a new training program, Respecting the Spiritual Values of People, to teach the cadets tolerance toward non-Christians.

34 posted on 07/24/2008 4:29:14 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Fundamentally Fair

I will tell you whats wrong, a lack of discipline! I served in the marine corp 83-87 honorably discharged. Then when year latter I joined Air Force Reserves, at bergstrom in Austin, Texas. I could not stay in the Air Force, only for 5 years! I could not believe the lack of discipline or respect, either in the active or reserve side on base! This problem you are seeing is not just in that base! The Air Force promotes management, not leadership skills. And if you see there system of promotion. You would be amazed, and very disgusted! You would not believe some of the men I had to answer to, that were senior enlisted men, that had no clue to there job responsibilities or knew how to look after men!


38 posted on 07/24/2008 4:59:13 PM PDT by ibtheman
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To: Fundamentally Fair
During my time in the U.S.A.F.it had an authorized active duty force of about 600.000 plus or minus a few.

today the Air Force is required to carry on a mission with less then half that.

There are a lot of things wrong with the Air Force,mostly of a need for leadership in the officer corp and the politicians who keep screwing around with the military budget.

One more thing I was a member of SAC and during my time in that command I found it to be the most disciplined and professional organizations in the Air Force.

The Air Force needs to return to a dedicated Nuclear strike command to prevent things like this from happening.

But then thats just my opinion..

40 posted on 07/24/2008 5:09:20 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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