Probably all of the above.
I think AT LEAST Interrealm—spiritual vs physical.
A number of folks seem to think interdimensional.
Certainly a LOT of folks (close to happenings in the shadow gov) are CONVINCED, BELIEVE that they are a, b, & c. But that doesn’t make it so.
They are acknowledge to routinely lie, lie lie.
Given their liar father . . . that shouldn’t be surprising.