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Jonesboro man rails against trail (freep a poll)
Bangor Daily news ^ | 7/23/08 | Michael Dabrieo

Posted on 07/23/2008 11:39:23 AM PDT by mainestategop

JONESBORO, Maine - When John Cox heard about plans to turn 87 miles of inactive rail bed in Washington and Hancock counties into public trails, he hoped someone would start a petition against it.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: brewer; calais; downeast; environment; freep; govwatch; maine; propertyrights; railroad; trail; transportation
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The rail going from Brewer to Calais has been inactive for over twenty years. All the industry in Washington County have had to rely on trucks since then. Our Bald headed leftist governor wants to tear it up and replace it with a bike trail. With gas prices soaring and the libs screaming about global warming it makes good sense to reopen it. Be sure to freep the poll too.
1 posted on 07/23/2008 11:39:23 AM PDT by mainestategop
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To: mainestategop

This has been happening all over the country for what seems like a decade.

In Indianapolis and the surrounding “donut” counties, they’ve been digging up the old Monom Line and turning it into the “Monon Trail” for walking, running and biking.

Problem is, they extended it outside the city (Marion County) and north into the more affluent cities. Homeonwers who expected the abandoned rail lines to revert to them under eminent domain were now seeing paved paths between their yards.

Some homeowners began piling trash, furniture (bedsprings, etc.) across the trails.

Really, nobody wants the state pumping strangers through their backyards.


2 posted on 07/23/2008 11:58:29 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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The way I’m reading it, the rail line is unusable for trains in its current condition. If they remove the old rails and cross ties and let people use it for a while, so what? At least this way the grade and right of way will be maintained. If they need it, they can always put it back with up-to-spec rails and ties.


3 posted on 07/23/2008 12:00:20 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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I think all this “public trail” nonsense has gone too far, but if I lived next to one I would be grateful there weren’t trains rumbling by at all hours.


4 posted on 07/23/2008 12:00:42 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Cthulu '08! Why vote for the lesser evil?)
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Sucks to be them. Why are they piling trash on land that doesn’t belong to them?


5 posted on 07/23/2008 12:03:17 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Nope.
In many areas, they’re PAVING over the old lines.

That property should have reverted to the adjacent landowners as soon as the nature of the easment was changed.

Building rail lines using eminent domain is OK.
Confiscating property for walking paths is not.


6 posted on 07/23/2008 12:04:18 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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Because, under the law, the land belonged to them as soon as the easment was abandoned by the rail lines.

The city and counties sued and re-took the land for other purposes.


7 posted on 07/23/2008 12:05:06 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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The way I’m reading it, the rail line is unusable for trains in its current condition.

Well you may be right about that. If you Google some images of the railroad like I did it does not look good. Some of the tracks are submerged in swamps, there was this wooden bridge that had a big gap in the middle, some of the rails I heard were even torn off and sold for scrap. But if they do rebuild it it might help ailing industry in Hancock and Washington county.

8 posted on 07/23/2008 12:05:52 PM PDT by mainestategop
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I gotta disagree with many here. Most of these rail beds are ROW for the railroad. So, chances are it’s not your property anyway.

Would you rather have a screaming train running through your backyard or an occasional hiker/biker/walker. Keep in mind this is northern Maine and will probably have about 10 people use it a year. Trails like this also add value to your property in places like this — they are marketed as “direct access to so and so trail”

From my experience this guy is an exception, most people in New England normally don’t mind others using the back of their property for hunting, etc with permission


9 posted on 07/23/2008 12:10:30 PM PDT by wilco200 (Typical White Person)
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Some homeowners began piling trash, furniture (bedsprings, etc.) across the trails. Really, nobody wants the state pumping strangers through their backyards.

Idiots. So an area long-designated for a heavy industrial usage is being converted to a pedestrian/bicycle trail - and there's someone out there who will PROTEST this? Imagine what would happen if the county built a new train line through Yuppieville instead.

10 posted on 07/23/2008 12:15:06 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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Once the easement is abandoned, trains aren’t going to go running throug there.

That doesn’t give the state the tacit right to infringe upon the legitemate and legal rights of the adjacent propertyholders.

The lack of an active train line has nothing to do with an illegally repurposed easement. It should have reverted back to the landowners, period. The state doesn’t have the right to build anything new (trails, nuclear waste dumps, etc.) unless the land is taken or the ROW (easement) reestablished.


11 posted on 07/23/2008 12:18:19 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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I wonder why the homeowners have not filed adverse possession claims?


12 posted on 07/23/2008 12:19:58 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BlazingArizona

Again, the easement was ABANDONED.
Legally, the land was to have reverted to the landowners.
If the rail line wanted to build a new line, they’d have to restart the ROW process again.

As far as the easment was concerned, it was no longer designated for “heavy industrial usage”.

Wait until somebody takes your property and then we’ll see how great the idea is.


13 posted on 07/23/2008 12:20:51 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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The trails are great. It is a good way to keep the right of way clear and in public hands. Having trails like we have around here, the Macomb Orchard Trail / Clinton River trail is actually good for property values. Another trail the Polly Ann trail, saw it's last train from Detroit to Bay City a year or so after I-75 was done in the early ‘70s.

I would sign on to build the trail.

14 posted on 07/23/2008 12:23:47 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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Around here in Michigan, the land was purchased from the railroads for a hefty sum. At least this railroad subsidy was not wasted on Amtrack and we have something of value to show for our money.


15 posted on 07/23/2008 12:28:55 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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Was the land re-purchase by the adjacent landowners?


16 posted on 07/23/2008 12:32:32 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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The land certainly was not abandoned. Bet you they has signs posted to keep out, and they had insurance for anyone getting hurt on the property. No more trains doesn't tell the whole story.

An overwhelming majority of folks on the trails are nice people. There is nothing to fear.

17 posted on 07/23/2008 12:37:02 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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The land certainly was not abandoned. Bet you they has signs posted to keep out, and they had insurance for anyone getting hurt on the property. No more trains doesn't tell the whole story.

An overwhelming majority of folks on the trails are nice people. There is nothing to fear.

18 posted on 07/23/2008 12:37:02 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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To: Mark was here

I’ll bet they has, too!


19 posted on 07/23/2008 12:39:23 PM PDT by weeder
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Was the land repurchased by the adjacent landowners?

No the local towns bought the land and actually worked together to make a series of parks. It was a long time in the making, fighting the nay sayers, but it is really a nice park system.

20 posted on 07/23/2008 12:46:44 PM PDT by Mark was here (The earth is bipolar.)
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