I don't loathe "The Serbs." I definitely dislike the obnoxious Serbian and Russian nationalists on FR for whom all Serbs are simon-pure heroes - especially those who assert that Americans should bow and scrape to Serbians and beg their forgiveness for ending the Milosevic regime.
I think the Serbs have been shat upon by the West
I do not.
Slavs in that part of the Balkans were quite instrumental for centuries in plugging the muslim entry point to eatern Europe..thank God.
It wasn't just Serbs or Slavs fighting Islam in the Balkans. It was also Greeks, Venetians, Albanians, Poles, Bulgars, Croats, Hungarians, Rumanians, etc. And they fought out of necessity, not to do Western Europe any favors.
Serbs were for the most part but not all against the Nazis in WWII.
The Nedic government of Serbia was pro-Nazi. The Royalists were split into factions, one being pro-Nazi, the other pro-Britain. The Partisans were pro-Soviet and only opportunistically anti-Nazi or pro-Western.
Serbs were our Allies in WWI.
A very interesting way of putting it, seeing as how the war was sparked by a Serb nationalist three years before America entered the war. The Serbs fought alongside the French in the Balkans against the Bulgarians, not alongside the US in France against the Germans.
Bosnians(not all) were mostly Nazi allies in WWII. Croats (not all) were mostly Nazi Allies in WWII. Albanians were Nazis allies in WWII.
I'm not here to sing the praises of the Bosnians, Croatians or Albanians.
That whole neighborhood has a history of brutality and to single out the Serbs and ignore others is dishonest.
We're not talking about the deeds of past generations. We're talking about the deeds of the last 15 years - the ones whose witnesses are still alive, whose perpetrators are still alive, the deeds for which justice can actually be done right now and not in historical hindsight. And in the last 15 years the Serbs have done some pretty objectionable things.
Our media and most PC western governments frown on the Serbs because of many reasons I guess but in the end they hold them to a higher standard of behavior than others...why?, maybe because they are fellow Europeans and ostensibly Christian as you sarcastically pointed out upthread...which is rather ironic since in the PC world, being white and Christian is not much to be respected anymore and does this mean that non White, non Christian cultures can act like savages and get away with it? (Darfur, Somalia)
(1) The Serbs are not held to a higher standard. Not only Serbs have been indicted for war crimes in Bosnia.
(2) No one is arguing that the slaughter in Darfur is acceptable.
Myself, I tend to favor them because I think they understand the threat of Islam in the Balkans better than we do.
I was in Manhattan on September 11, 2001. I understand the threat of Islam as well as any man alive.
Btw...do you consider Feldman a liar or did these Serbs rescue over 500 Allied airmen or not?
Mihailovic rescued US airmen, unquestionably. Did Felman know exactly how many? No. Did Felman have an understandable hero worship for Mihailovic? Absolutely. Did Felman tell any deliberate untruths? Absolutely not. Hence the tendency for the number to keep increasing over time.
However I don't buy the larger argument that just because an individual Serb military commander rescued Americans 60 years ago (and was later murdered by pro-Soviet, anti-American fellow Serbs for engaging in similar activity) a young thug from Serbia today should be allowed to beat an American kid into a coma if he feels like it and get away with it.
The question you asked that I answered was who did they rescue in WWII.
I provided ample proof that between 500-700 Allied Airmen were rescued by Serbian paramilitary during WWII. That is irrefutable.
You then proceed to parse and equivocate everything positive the Serbs have basically done in the modern era given your extreme dislike for their recent nationalistic excesses.
That is your perspective then fine.
I lived in Manhattan for 8 years myself and knew “of” folks killed in 9-11 but that’s really besside the point. One needn’t be a heart surgeon to have an opnion on heart surgery.
History shall judge the Serbs. I see them as targets of political correctness today much like South Africans, Rhodesians, Latino Bourgeoisie, and Southerners and your views on them substantiate that to a degree.
(course you can say fairly that I am a reactionary compared to you on racial-ethnic issues and my defense of them doesn’t surpise you either....and that would be fair enough admittedly)
Have a nice evening.
I give you credit and gratitude for always thorough replies.