US general warns Russia on nuclear bombers in Cuba

I cut your runts to get out few thought which is worth to discuss.

they are defensive and pose no threat whatsever except to any aggressor that might choose to start lobbing nuclear missiles around.==

They are serving the great supplemental role during American first strike on Russia. In this case Russian reciprocal answer will be weakered by your first strike so ABM missile will help to fend off the answer.
That is why Russia against it.

It wasn’t the United States that got into bed with Hitler for geopolitical convenience during World War II, and you might remember that it was the United States and the West that saved Russia’s Communist ass after Hitler stabbed you people in the back when the Ribbentrop/Molotov pact outlived it’s usefulness to him. ==

First of all you should know that Stalin and CPSu was Soviet Unions’s not Russia’s. If for you Soviet Union and Russia are same then you go against truth. Soviet Union was run by soviet communists in which Russians were only half and were not leaders.

“Czar Putin” as you call him is not communist but russian natinalist. That is why he has support of the majority of Russians.

Then Stalin showed his appreciation by stealing the atomic technology he needed to explode the first Soviet atomic bomb in 1949, a bomb that was a direct copy of the design used for the Nagasaki bomb ‘Fat Man’.==

Direct copy?:) It was plutonium’s too. That is all of resemblence. Soviet Union has its own pack of nuclier scientists when United States has the pack from whole world. If soviet scientists could compete with whole world scientists working on USA then they are brilliant.

it wasn’t John F. Kennedy banging his damn shoe at the U.N. and bellowing “We will bury you!”, it was that oaf Khrushchev who chose to take the world to the brink of nuclear war by putting Soviet IRBMs in Cuba.==

At same time United States already had thier nuclier missiles in Turkey. Why you forget to mention that? Those missiles posed same threat to SU and soviet missiles on Cuba to US. Putiing missiles on Cuba Khruschev just answered on early Kennedy move.
So we need to reconsider who really posed the world on the brink of nuke conflict. My vote: those who started whole thing.

NATO was formed at the end of World War II for *defensive* purposes against Soviet aggression, the record of which is long, extensive and fully documented.==

Defensive? Bombing of Yugoslavia were pure agression. So you mension records are blemished now. That is 2d reason why Russia do not believe neither word coming from NATO.

I cut your runts to get out few thought which is worth to discuss.

Some jokes just write themselves, LOL

they are defensive and pose no threat whatsever except to any aggressor that might choose to start lobbing nuclear missiles around.
They are serving the great supplemental role during American first strike on Russia. In this case Russian reciprocal answer will be weakered by your first strike so ABM missile will help to fend off the answer. That is why Russia against it.

Look here Comrade, America didn't need to launch a first strike in order to watch your Communist system circle the geopolitical toilet bowl and be flushed down the sewer pipe of history, and we hardly need to launch one now, Russia will do a fine job of dismantling itself once again.

It wasn’t the United States that got into bed with Hitler for geopolitical convenience during World War II, and you might remember that it was the United States and the West that saved Russia’s Communist ass after Hitler stabbed you people in the back when the Ribbentrop/Molotov pact outlived it’s usefulness to him.
First of all you should know that Stalin and CPSu was Soviet Unions’s not Russia’s. If for you Soviet Union and Russia are same then you go against truth. Soviet Union was run by soviet communists in which Russians were only half and were not leaders.

So you're saying that the Soviet Communists running the U.S.S.R. from 1917 until the collapse of their system under Gorbachev were NOT Russians and were not "leaders"? The Russians were just poor innocent victims of all that Marx & Lenin propaganda? Sure.

“Czar Putin” as you call him is not communist but russian natinalist. That is why he has support of the majority of Russians.

Don't make me laugh. Putin IS a Communist, in fact he's a former KGB officer, and the KGB was staffed ONLY by (drum roll please?) **COMMUNISTS**. Are they burning your Russian history books that fast that you either didn't know or forgot about Putin's Communist background? (By the way, they called Hitler a nationalist too). And Putin has done more to restrict and limit the freedoms that the Russian people had begun to enjoy after the fall of Communism than any other leader. You know it, you may not be psychologically able to admit it, but it's the truth.

Then Stalin showed his appreciation by stealing the atomic technology he needed to explode the first Soviet atomic bomb in 1949, a bomb that was a direct copy of the design used for the Nagasaki bomb ‘Fat Man’.
Direct copy?:) It was plutonium’s too. That is all of resemblence. Soviet Union has its own pack of nuclier scientists when United States has the pack from whole world. If soviet scientists could compete with whole world scientists working on USA then they are brilliant.

Typical Soviet/Russian revisionism. Look up 'Julius and Ethel Rosenberg' for starters. Maybe Klaus Fuchs as well. You're not Yakov Smirnoff, trolling FR for laughs are you?

it wasn’t John F. Kennedy banging his damn shoe at the U.N. and bellowing “We will bury you!”, it was that oaf Khrushchev who chose to take the world to the brink of nuclear war by putting Soviet IRBMs in Cuba.
At same time United States already had thier nuclier missiles in Turkey. Why you forget to mention that? Those missiles posed same threat to SU and soviet missiles on Cuba to US. Putiing missiles on Cuba Khruschev just answered on early Kennedy move.

Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania. Remember those guys? They were behind the Iron Curtain of Joe Stalin and remained there for decades because of Moscow's hegemonic ambitions and desire for world domination. 'Why you forget to mention that?' Gosh, me not know....lol

So we need to reconsider who really posed the world on the brink of nuke conflict.

You got any mirrors handy Comrade?

My vote: those who started whole thing.

See above countries who became captive slave states to Moscow after the end of World War II. America underwent the largest disarmament in world history, but your Uncle Joe continued to build up your military forces, occupied Eastern Europe, tried to choke off West Berlin, supported Communist regimes in China and North Korea (just to name two), and even a casual student of history knows that it was the Soviet Union who initiated the Cold War. And you ought to look up the proposal of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who suggested that the United States would turn over it's nuclear arsenal to the United Nations, and encouraged and invited the Soviet Union to do the same, only to be met with a great big "NYET!" from Moscow.

NATO was formed at the end of World War II for *defensive* purposes against Soviet aggression, the record of which is long, extensive and fully documented.
Defensive? Bombing of Yugoslavia were pure agression. So you mension records are blemished now. That is 2d reason why Russia do not believe neither word coming from NATO.

Yugoslavia has nothing to do with it. Milosevic was a genocidal thug not much different than Robert Mugabe. NATO bombed his ass because he persisted in his criminal behavior. Now he's dead, and Hell is enlarged by one more cell for his murderous soul.

Nice try Comrade, but no cigar.

So you’re saying that the Soviet Communists running the U.S.S.R. from 1917 until the collapse of their system under Gorbachev were NOT Russians and were not “leaders”?==

Yeah for your surprise Gorby was only Russian in charge of Soviet Union in all 72 years of its history. Others were: jewish-german-tatar Lenin, georgian Stalin, ukranian Khruschev, ukranian Brezhnev, Andropov’s ethnicity is the very secret , they say his mother was outwedlock daugther of jewish Moscow trademan, ukranian Chernenko and for the end russian Gorbachev. They all called themselves Soviet Communists so.

Putin IS a Communist, in fact he’s a former KGB officer, and the KGB was staffed ONLY by (drum roll please?) **COMMUNISTS**. ==

Not true. KGB included many services. Like intellegence, counterintellegence, border patrols, goverment communications, goverment bodyguards and so on. Only highest rank stuff was needed to be the members of party.
I really do not know Putin was the party member or not. But if you look into it you may find that many CIS leader were party members in thier life.
For example. Prime minister of Estonia Ancip was not ever row party member. He was the local CPSU secretary. But now he is the russophonic estonian natinalists so his background totally forgoten. So we should do with Putin.

Look up ‘Julius and Ethel Rosenberg’ for starters. Maybe Klaus Fuchs as well.==

Those names are very known at West due to propaganda. I know less about them.

Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania. Remember those guys?==

You change subject? We talked about putting missile on Turkey and on Cuba remember? What those countries had to do with it?

And you ought to look up the proposal of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who suggested that the United States would turn over it’s nuclear arsenal to the United Nations, and encouraged and invited the Soviet Union to do the same, ==

All right I will read about it.

Milosevic was a genocidal thug not much different than Robert Mugabe. NATO bombed his ass because he persisted in his criminal behavior.==

Who knows who will be proclaimed the next “a genocidal thug” and will be bombed after. I agree that NATO made great job to demonize Meloshivic but to embellish crime of his enemies. I for one count them equal. They both commited war crimes but only Serbs were punished.
Truth is NATO attacked Yugoslavia which never posed no threat to it. It is the agression. So called the peacefullness of NATO we in Russia do not buy anymore.

So you’re saying that the Soviet Communists running the U.S.S.R. from 1917 until the collapse of their system under Gorbachev were NOT Russians and were not “leaders”?
Yeah for your surprise Gorby was only Russian in charge of Soviet Union in all 72 years of its history. Others were: jewish-german-tatar Lenin, georgian Stalin, ukranian Khruschev, ukranian Brezhnev, Andropov’s ethnicity is the very secret , they say his mother was outwedlock daugther of jewish Moscow trademan, ukranian Chernenko and for the end russian Gorbachev. They all called themselves Soviet Communists so.

Therefore in your mind, that makes Russians completely innocent as the driven snow, and not responsible for the evils of Communism, is that the snake oil you're trying to sell here Comrade?

Putin IS a Communist, in fact he’s a former KGB officer, and the KGB was staffed ONLY by (drum roll please?) **COMMUNISTS**.
Not true. KGB included many services. Like intellegence, counterintellegence, border patrols, goverment communications, goverment bodyguards and so on.

Oh ok. And of course, KGB Day Care Centres for the kids, Retirement Homes for the veterans, Farms for Unwed Mothers, I'm sure. Purely a humanitarian organization.

Only highest rank stuff was needed to be the members of party. I really do not know Putin was the party member or not. But if you look into it you may find that many CIS leader were party members in thier life. For example. Prime minister of Estonia Ancip was not ever row party member. He was the local CPSU secretary. But now he is the russophonic estonian natinalists so his background totally forgoten. So we should do with Putin.

You know Comrade ,you ought to be working for Putin, he could always use an extra assistant spooning out the agitprop.

Look up ‘Julius and Ethel Rosenberg’ for starters.
Maybe Klaus Fuchs as well.
Those names are very known at West due to propaganda.

LOL "those names" are very well known due to the fact that they were working for Soviet intelligence as SPIES, and your own formerly secret archives have confirmed that.

I know less about them

Stick around and you can learn some more.

Albania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Hungary, Poland, Romania. Remember those guys?
You change subject? We talked about putting missile on Turkey and on Cuba remember? What those countries had to do with it?

Those countries had PLENTY to do with it, because if NATO had not been formed, your former Soviet masters would have continued to subvert and/or outright invade and occupy other nations for inclusion into their empire. As for missiles going into Turkey, you will note that the U.S. and NATO installed those missiles in broad daylight, hiding nothing (and the historical record proves that), but the Soviets chose to sneak their IRBMs into Cuba, trying to hide their duplicity. The fact is, the Jupiter missile sites were constructed in response to Soviet missiles targeted on Western Europe. That too, is established by the historical record which unfortunately for you, is not on your side.

And you ought to look up the proposal of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who suggested that the United States would turn over it’s nuclear arsenal to the United Nations, and encouraged and invited the Soviet Union to do the same
All right I will read about it.

I think you'll be surprised.

Milosevic was a genocidal thug not much different than Robert Mugabe. NATO bombed his ass because he persisted in his criminal behavior.
Who knows who will be proclaimed the next “a genocidal thug” and will be bombed after. I agree that NATO made great job to demonize Meloshivic but to embellish crime of his enemies. I for one count them equal. They both commited war crimes but only Serbs were punished.

Milosevic demonized himself. He needed no help from anyone to accomplish that. As for the Serbs being the only ones being punished? Hey, that's just the luck of the draw.

Truth is NATO attacked Yugoslavia which never posed no threat to it. It is the agression. So called the peacefullness of NATO we in Russia do not buy anymore.

Nobody's trying to sell it to you. NATO is a fact of life. Deal with it.

Therefore in your mind, that makes Russians completely innocent as the driven snow, and not responsible for the evils of Communism,==

Not exactly I rather state the logical opposite of your statement. Russians definitely were the part of Soviet Union and CPSU. Athough they were not leaders but they manned many positions in the soviet beurocracy.
Soviet Union was created by citizen of Russian Empire. Remember Russian Empire before 1917 was hundereds of ethnicities. Russians were only 1/2 of the population of RE.
In former RE Russians were dominant ethnicity but in Soviet Union they were not. Still Russians had the half of Empire and so as half of Soviet Union. So Russians carry thier HALF of the guilt for Soviet union (leser half considering they were not the leaders) but OTHER half of this guilt belongs to Ukranians, Jews, Georgians, Latvians and so on the ethnicities of RE and Soviet Union. That is what I state.

For example. Prime minister of Estonia Ancip was not ever row party member. He was the local CPSU secretary. But now he is the russophonic estonian natinalists so his background totally forgoten. So we should do with Putin.

You know Comrade ,you ought to be working for Putin, he could always use an extra assistant spooning out the agitprop.==

Agitprop? Let you check the background of estonian prime minister Ancip then you’ll find out I’m right. So if you condemn Putin then you should condemn Ancip too.

As for missiles going into Turkey, you will note that the U.S. and NATO installed those missiles in broad daylight, hiding nothing (and the historical record proves that), but the Soviets chose to sneak their IRBMs into Cuba, trying to hide their duplicity. ==

Yeah that is right. They did it secretly. But why they did it that way? Reemmber Cuba was under blockade already. So soviet military wanted to get missiles through then to have tiem to install them before United States could attack the installations from air. It is matter of tactics. The strategy was to endanger American territory same way as United States already did for soviet territory from Turkey. Soviets wants to establish the balance.

Milosevic demonized himself. He needed no help from anyone to accomplish that. ==

Oh common:). We both perfectly know that Western SMS agitation machine is very effective. I read the outcry ana condemnations of MSM each and other day here on FR. Now you tell me that same damned MSM are unbiased and very balanced toward the foreign matters? I do not believe in it. Same MSM is agitating same on your domestic and foreign matter.
Those who they do not like pictured demons but those they like are angels.

So called the peacefullness of NATO we in Russia do not buy anymore.

Nobody’s trying to sell it to you. NATO is a fact of life. Deal with it.==

Interesting. In prevous posts you told that NATO is purely defensive. When I pointed you to fact that NATO commited the aggression against Yugoslavia, now you tell me like “so what, deal with it”. So I conclude those in Russia warned us about the danger of NATO were right. Noted. Russia will deal with that danger as she always did. Maybe the russian bombers on Cuda or in Venezuella will balance situation once again.
If you will not like it then you should deal with it too.

Russia is no longer a superpower, a substantial European power, sure. But Russia is a shadow of it’s former self.==

10000+ nuclier warheads all workable:). Enough said. Compaier it with half of allerged N.Korean nuke which none saw it. Now recall plz US action? Military operation? Never just talks talks talks. So I conclude United States is affraid to touch the tiny country with nuke which none ever see. That is the fact.

Because we will bomb your goddamn asses out of existence. And we can do it too. And your once vaunted retaliatory capability is likewise, a shadow of it’s former self.
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Exactly why Russia oppose ABM missiles in Europe. United States officially say it is against Iran. But we both know it is anti-Russia’s. Fairly Russia has all reasons to counterbalance it.

Ronald Reagan already kicked the living Hell out of you once, and he didn’t even have to fire a shot.==

Really stupid indeed. If you really think that then you just duped yourself. Ronald Reagan succeeded helping Gorby to keep power with disarmament (not military puishing) so Gorby may say to hardliners in party: see USA no enemy anymore. Militaryly Soviet Union was inwincible. Soviet Union went dead as the result of Gorby policy with all supports of Russians first of all.
Now the completely different situtation. Whole Russians people will stand for Russia. Surely you may hit Russia but Russian reatailiatory is enough to destroy all major cities of the continental American and W.Europe all together and kill 90% of its population. United States hit Russian equals you commit suicide all at once. That is the other fact for you.

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