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The death penalty for terrorists-Sometimes a country must violate a principle to ensure it be upheld
Jerusalem Post ^ | 7-21-08 | SHMULEY BOTEACH

Posted on 07/21/2008 4:37:47 PM PDT by SJackson

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1 posted on 07/21/2008 4:37:47 PM PDT by SJackson
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But there exist those fiends whose crimes are so heinous that they have erased the image of God from their countenance and have forfeited any reasonable right to walk God's earth.

Exactly, so what principle is being violated?

I would suggest by not executing murderers, a principle is being violated.

2 posted on 07/21/2008 4:39:38 PM PDT by SJackson (I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), roasted grasshopper (crunchy), BH Obama)
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Murderers (polticial murderers, like terrorists, included), gang-rapists and paedophiles should be hanged in every instance without fail.


3 posted on 07/21/2008 4:41:32 PM PDT by Hatter6
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Exactly, when murderers are not executed, the principle that Human life is sacred is being violated.


4 posted on 07/21/2008 4:43:39 PM PDT by Hatter6
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There are some creatures, if not killed, will almost certainly kill again.

This Kuntar slime is such a creature. It is regrettable that this creature was not exterminated.


5 posted on 07/21/2008 4:45:39 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: SJackson
Sometimes a country must violate a principle to ensure it be upheld

Pvt. Eddie Slovik, for example.

6 posted on 07/21/2008 4:51:18 PM PDT by realdifferent1 (OBAMA IS NOT 'AFRICAN AMERICAN' - HE IS A 'MULATTO')
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“I am not suggesting that Israel take unilateral action and simply hang captured terrorists.”

Why not? I have always wondered why a country that is located in the midst of one of the most violent parts of the world shies away from the death penalty. Does Israel really think that, by not sending terrorists to the gallows, Israeli POW will receive better treatment? How many of these POW have been returned alive?

But perhaps I should not be so critical about Israel’s conduct — we too handle Muslim terrorists with kid gloves. (How many American POW, captured by Muslim terrorists have been returned alive?)


7 posted on 07/21/2008 4:54:08 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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I have always wondered why a country that is located in the midst of one of the most violent parts of the world shies away from the death penalty. Does Israel really think that, by not sending terrorists to the gallows, Israeli POW will receive better treatment? How many of these POW have been returned alive?

It has nothing to do with that, it's a moral judgement. Though Israel is a secular state, the death penalty is virtually impossible to carry out in Judaism, and that carries over. I don't get, but I live here.

In a similar vein, despite understanding the no one left behind imperative, I don't get the lengths Israel goes to retrieving remains either.

Different mindset, I'd give them fair trial and hang them.

8 posted on 07/21/2008 4:58:32 PM PDT by SJackson (I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), roasted grasshopper (crunchy), BH Obama)
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A country this virtuous naturally balks from putting anyone, even terrorists, to death.

That's not virtuous. It's cowardly & immoral. Stop trying to fool yourselves.

9 posted on 07/21/2008 5:00:15 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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I would suggest by not executing murderers, a principle is being violated.

That's not virtuous. It's cowardly & immoral. Stop trying to fool yourselves.

Exactly right. Terrorists with blood on their hands should be hanged. They should be sweated for any information they have, and then hanged within days.

10 posted on 07/21/2008 5:05:49 PM PDT by marron
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“Though Israel is a secular state, the death penalty is virtually impossible to carry out in Judaism..”

Thanks for the info.


11 posted on 07/21/2008 5:06:33 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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Why not?

I doubt you really mean that.

From capture to trial to hanging was 9 or 10 days for Major John André. Wouldn't happen today I admit, but if captured rather than killed, I'm ok with terrorists being dealt with in whatever system of jurisprudence applies.

12 posted on 07/21/2008 5:10:09 PM PDT by SJackson (I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), roasted grasshopper (crunchy), BH Obama)
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Terrorists caught by Israelis should not survive their capture by more than a few minutes. They become terrible liabilities to Israel.


13 posted on 07/21/2008 5:11:55 PM PDT by arthurus
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I didn't say that. I do understand the mindset, it's wrong, and dangerous.

If Israel want's to avoid the death penalty, a true life sentence would be appropriate.

Life, for life, not until the enemy has collected enough prisoners and body parts for a deal.

14 posted on 07/21/2008 5:12:11 PM PDT by SJackson (I was introduced to dog meat (tough), snake meat (tougher), roasted grasshopper (crunchy), BH Obama)
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I didn’t say that to you. I said it to the article & to this defeatist mindset that Jews have in which they cover up their self-imposed helplessness with lectures on how they’re so moral & virtuous. Letting Jew killers go free is not moral & it’s not virtuous. It’s an abomination.


15 posted on 07/21/2008 5:45:38 PM PDT by forkinsocket
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I am not suggesting that Israel take unilateral action and simply hang captured terrorists. They should be given a fair trial,...

Give 'em a fair trial first, then hang 'em

16 posted on 07/21/2008 6:05:54 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you intended to!)
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Neah.
“Kill” them in action.
Take them to a secret location. Break them by any means necessary. Find out all they know. Bury the mangled corpse in the Negev.
17 posted on 07/21/2008 6:10:31 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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Israel must learn many lessons about life and other people.

They have never learned that while they hold dear a thousand joys of life, the Muslims only care for land, their obsession. Thus it is fruitless to bargain with Muslims, for Israel cannot and should not relinquish land to them—it only whets their appetite for more. All Israel can do is take land from the Muslims, not to bargain for its return, but to threaten that if they do not cease their violence, then more land shall be taken from them, until the Muslims have none. This alone will compel them to peace.

And Israel has never learned that life only matters to those who cherish life. They cannot imagine that for some others, human life has no value at all. That if anything, for them life is a hateful thing, so they seek death for others and even themselves.

It is not, nor could it ever be murder to kill such people, for like rabid dogs, the only peace they shall ever find is in the ground.

The last lesson that Israel needs to learn is that even the honors they bestow on the earthly remains of their fallen sons, should not be extended to such worshipers of death. For the lessons that Israelis teach their children about those who have died are the memories of a good life and the love of family.

Instead the eulogy for a dead terrorist is to spread more hate and destruction, to call for murder and to celebrate slaughter. This is a foul thing, a living memory of evil. For the Israelis to pitch the remains of such a murderer into a cesspit is a better departure, as it deprives the priests of evil a rallying point for more murder.

A very long time ago, Israelis fought against pagan peoples, and gave no quarter to the destruction of their idols and temples. And such pagans would have given none in return. The Israelis should remember those lessons learned with blood, and no longer tolerate those who would destroy them utterly.

You cannot live with a neighbor whose burning passion is to murder you. You must be rid of them.


18 posted on 07/21/2008 6:27:07 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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What principle is that?

My principles state that deliberate murderers must be executed. No other justice is possible. This is whether they are ‘terrorists’, or just scumbags.

The death penalty is the only moral response to murder and rape.

19 posted on 07/21/2008 6:58:49 PM PDT by chesley ( Ya can't make chick'n dumplin's outta chick'n feathers!!)
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I wish I had said that.

In fact, I will. That's not virtuous. It's cowardly & immoral.

So is sacrificing your own soldiers and civilians to protect the lives of your enemy.

20 posted on 07/21/2008 7:00:54 PM PDT by chesley ( Ya can't make chick'n dumplin's outta chick'n feathers!!)
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