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To: puroresu

I never said I’d expect limited government in a place like San Francisco. A lot of gays are liberals. Furthermore, some might have conservative leanings, but we scare them away from embracing conservatism. I’ve met people who are very conservative on issues like guns and taxes, but would never vote Republican because of this crap.


45 posted on 07/18/2008 8:13:34 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian
The reason the left devotes so much time to culturally liberalizing the populace, with special effort made at propagandizing kids, is that a socially liberal society will be a weak society. You may be able to find an occasional homosexual who is conservative on other issues, but the majority never will be.

Social liberalism is hedonistic. People attracted to that, and absorbed into this cult of "tolerance", aren't going to be rugged individualists who disdain whiners and dependent classes of people. They're mostly going to BE whiners and dependent people.

You may be able to find an occasional iconoclastic type person who favors "gay rights" but opposes national health care, but such people will always be exceptions. As society becomes more accepting of things like homosexual unions, abortion, teen sexual experimentation, it becomes more "soft" and self-indulgent. It also becomes more passive towards its own defense.

Look north of your home state at Canada. A nation much more socially liberal than America (they in fact have same-sex "marriage" there). It's also more committed to socialism and (here's the real irony) it's becoming more socially repressive due to all the hate speech regulations and Human Rights Commissions that monitor even the letters to the editor sections of newspapers to hunt down thoughtcrime perpetrators.

Legalizing same-sex "marriage" will increase the size, scope, and expenses of government. Not only does it create a whole new class of people eligible for assorted benefits, but to "protect" the alleged rights of homosexuals all kinds of restrictions are placed on the populace. Imagine being a Christian restaurant owner and offering a valentine's day discount to couples. Think you'll be permitted to exclude gays? Not a chance. You'll be told that your freedom of association, your property rights, and even your religious liberty must be sacrificed on the altar of the newly declared "right to same-sex 'marriage'".

Acceptance of same-sex "marriage" opens up a whole new cornucopia of expansions of government power over the citizenry, which is why the left favors it.

55 posted on 07/18/2008 8:34:36 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

So you are the contingent that clings to guns but not God, correct?

Obama still hates you as do his backers in SF.


66 posted on 07/18/2008 8:49:45 AM PDT by weegee (Obama loves America like Bill loves Hillary.)
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