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Christian Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) Offensive to Muslims: Archbishop of Canterbury
Web India 123 ^ | 07.16.2008 | ANI

Posted on 07/16/2008 4:23:33 AM PDT by Coffee200am

The Archbishop of Cantebury, Dr. Rowan Williams, has described key elements of the Christian Trinity doctrine as being offensive to Muslims.

The Trinity is the Christian doctrine stating God exists as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and conflicts with Islamic teaching that there is one all-powerful God.

In a letter to Islamic scholars, Dr. Williams also spoke critically of the violent past of both Christianity and Islam, and of Christianity's abandonment of its peaceful origins.

Keen to promote closer dialogue and understanding between the two faiths, Dr. Williams letter covers difficult issues, including religious freedom and religiously inspired violence, and according to The Telegraph, it is in response to a document written last year by Muslim scholars from 43 countries. That letter was described by the archbishop as polite and well meaning.

Discussing differences between the religions, Dr. Williams acknowledges that Christian belief in the Trinity is "difficult, sometimes offensive, to Muslims".

Speaking about the history of the two religions, Dr Williams said they had been too often confused with Empire and control.

"There is no religious tradition whose history is exempt from such temptation and such failure. What we need as a vision for our dialogue is to break the current cycles of violence, to show the world that faith and faith alone can truly ground a commitment to peace which definitively abandons the tempting but lethal cycle of retaliation in which we simply imitate each other's violence," he said.

The 17-page letter, called A Common Word for the Common Good, is in response to a letter from Muslim leaders written last September.

That letter, A Common Word Between Us and You, was signed by 138 Muslim scholars to declare the common ground between the two religions. (ANI)


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: christian; islam; muslim; rowanwilliams; trinity
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I could care less as to what is "offensive" to Muslims. Seems everything is.
1 posted on 07/16/2008 4:23:34 AM PDT by Coffee200am
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To: Coffee200am

Nothing surprises me when it comes to England’s appeasement tactics.

Not only have they given over their nation to the Muslims, now they have ceded their national religion.

They’ve lost all sense of self in their desire to please.


2 posted on 07/16/2008 4:27:51 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: Coffee200am

I used to be upset by the fracturing of the Anglican Communion. Now I can’t wait.


3 posted on 07/16/2008 4:28:29 AM PDT by gridlock (Al Gore wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: imintrouble

I wonder what would happen if I wrote to Mecca stating that Sharia law is offensive to non Muslims......Crickets or hate crime?


4 posted on 07/16/2008 4:30:01 AM PDT by Coffee200am
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To: Coffee200am

Another gem from the vile Williams.


5 posted on 07/16/2008 4:30:42 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Coffee200am

How long will this man be allowed to continue?


6 posted on 07/16/2008 4:30:45 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Coffee200am

Muslims killing in the name of Islam offends me.


7 posted on 07/16/2008 4:32:35 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Coffee200am

Wouldn’t it be simpler just to make a short list of the things that are not offensive to Muslims?


8 posted on 07/16/2008 4:32:49 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Hillary to Obama: Arkancide happens.)
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To: Coffee200am
Mohammad’s god is not the God of Christianity.

It doesn't take much of the Koran to know the difference.

Rowan Williams isn't just a fool, he's evil.

9 posted on 07/16/2008 4:33:10 AM PDT by DB
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To: Coffee200am

And...?


10 posted on 07/16/2008 4:33:39 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Coffee200am

The Archbishop has had a little too much wine if he thinks the Muslims are going to delete the verses in the Koran that command believers to kill all infidels and Jews. His efforts are futile as has every civilized group that tried to reason with the followers of Islam. Offended? Good!


11 posted on 07/16/2008 4:33:54 AM PDT by poobear (“…individual salvation depends on collective salvation." Barack Hussein Obama Wesleyan University)
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To: Coffee200am
My new goal in life is to open a topless bar next to a mosque. It would be called the dog house. Anyone that brings a dog in gets the second drink free. The entire motif would be dog related.

On the other (up wind) side I would open up a bar-b-que pit that specialized in ..... you guessed it, pork.

Enough is enough

12 posted on 07/16/2008 4:36:30 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Coffee200am
The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components. Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights'.

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

Nation % Muslim
United States 1.0%
Australia 1.5%
Italy 1.5%
Norway 1.8%
Canada 1.9%
China 2.0%



At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Nation % Muslim
Denmark 2.0%
United Kingdom 2.7%
Germany 3.7%
Spain 4.0%
Thailand 4.6%



From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

Nation % Muslim
Switzerland 4.3%
Philippines 5.0%
Sweden 5.0%
The Netherlands 5.5%
Trinida and Tabago 5.8%
France 8.0%



At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Nation % Muslim
Guyana 10.0%
India 13.4%
Israel 16.0%
Kenya 10.0%
Russia 15.0%



After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Nation % Muslim
Ethiopia 32.8%



At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Nation % Muslim
Bosnia 40.0%
Chad 50.1%
Lebanon 59.7%



From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Nation % Muslim
Albania 70.0%
Malaysia 60.4%
Qatar 77.5%
Sudan 70.0%



After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Nation % Muslim
Bangladesh 83.0%
Egypt 90.0%
Gaza 98.7%
Indonesia 86.1%
Iran 98.0%
Iraq 97.0%
Jordan 92.0%
Morocco 98.7%
Pakistan 97.0%
Syria 90.0%
Tajikistan 90.0%
Turkey 99.8%
United Arab Emirates 96.0%



100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Nation % Muslim
Yemen 99.9%
Afghanistan 100.0%
Saudi Arabia 100.0%
Somalia 100.0%




Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel."

– Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’.


It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.


13 posted on 07/16/2008 4:38:04 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Coffee200am
Given behavior lately of the English whining class, I guess the Trinity will be abolished so as not offend Muslims.
14 posted on 07/16/2008 4:38:44 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a Conservative. But I can vote for John McCain. If I have to. I guess.)
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To: verga

I’d eat there. Are guns allowed in the resturant? YES! ribs; lots of ribs. Lots of smoke too.


15 posted on 07/16/2008 4:39:24 AM PDT by 70th Division (If we lose the Republic we have lost it all.)
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To: Coffee200am

My breathing is offensive to Muslims, seems like. Can we move on now?


16 posted on 07/16/2008 4:43:47 AM PDT by figgers3036
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To: Coffee200am

Dogs sleeping with cats, dogs wearing boots, anglicans bowing down to muslims - something happening here!
Who ya’ gonna call?


17 posted on 07/16/2008 4:44:31 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Coffee200am

Right on schedule...Rowan Williams helps the Muslims conquer England, yet again.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article597161.ece


18 posted on 07/16/2008 4:45:07 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

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19 posted on 07/16/2008 4:45:13 AM PDT by Coffee200am
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To: Coffee200am

Muslims are offensive to me, especially their desire to kill me because I’m a Christian.


20 posted on 07/16/2008 4:45:27 AM PDT by MissEdie (On the Sixth Day God created Spurrier)
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