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Three British Muslims admit bid to bomb Heathrow and Commons with liquid explosives
dailymail.co.uk ^ | July 15, 2008

Posted on 07/14/2008 7:22:20 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Three British Muslims yesterday admitted plotting to explode a homemade bomb at the Houses of Parliament in protest at the UK's role in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The men and two others also admitted conspiring to cause public nuisance by distributing Al Qaeda- style videos threatening suicide bomb attacks in Britain.

But prosecutors claimed they made 'inherently improbable' and 'bogus' confessions to these charges to distract attention from the main allegations - a plot to blow up airliners flying from Heathrow to major U.S. cities.

They accused the men of being in a gang wanting to kill thousands of passengers by detonating liquid bombs in a wave of mid-air explosions.

Guilty plea: Abdulla Ahmed Ali (left), Assad Sarwar (centre) and Tanvir Hussain (right) admit conspiring to cause explosions

A jury at Woolwich Crown Court, South-East London, must still decide if the five men, plus three others, are guilty of an unprecedented suicide bomb conspiracy.

Prosecutor Peter Wright QC said the conspirators were fanatics who believed they would achieve immortality through mass murder.

He said: 'What they intended was to shock the world, not merely by the nature of the acts but also by the fact that such actions could be committed by apparently ordinary law-abiding citizens.

'This was part of the message. A statement of the strength of resistance to perceived Muslim oppression.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaedauk; eurabia; europe; islamofascism; jihadineurope; mohammedanism; muslimimmigration; muslims; rop; sarwar; terrortrials; uk; ukmuslims; wot
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1 posted on 07/14/2008 7:22:20 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

They look like a ‘happy bunch’! Gads.....


2 posted on 07/14/2008 7:25:31 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (Airlines can take their $15-per-checked-bag surcharge and shove it!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Off with their heads!

Ok, they don't allow that in the UK...

Boil them in oil!

Ok, they don't allow that in the UK either...

ummmmm....

Wave your fingers at them and say "naughty naughty!"

(maybe they can't do that in the UK either...)

3 posted on 07/14/2008 7:29:29 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Guy Fawkes is notorious for his involvement in the Gunpowder Plot of 1605. The plot was an attempt by a group of religious conspirators to kill King James I of England, his family, and most of the aristocracy by blowing up the House of Lords in the Palace of Westminster during the State Opening of Parliament.

Guy Fawkes, who was captured in act of attempting to light the gun powder was taken before the privy council where he remained defiant.

When they asked for his name Guy answered John Johnson. He was tortured over the next few days, after the King granted special permission to do so. James directed that the torture should be light at first, and then more severe. Sir William Wade, Lieutenant of the Tower of London at this time, supervised the torture and obtained Fawkes's confession. For three or four days Fawkes said nothing, let alone divulged the names of his co-conspirators. Only when he found out that they had proclaimed themselves by appearing in arms did he succumb. The torture only revealed the names of those conspirators who were already dead or whose names were known to the authorities. Some had fled to Dunchurch, Warwickshire, where they were killed or captured. On 31 January, Fawkes and a number of others implicated in the conspiracy were tried in Westminster Hall. After being found guilty, they were taken to Old Palace Yard in Westminster and St Paul's Yard, where they were hanged, drawn, and quartered. Fawkes, however, cheated the hangman by jumping from the scaffold, breaking his neck before he could be drawn and quartered ("The King's Book.",1606.)

4 posted on 07/14/2008 7:55:34 PM PDT by joshhiggins
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To: joshhiggins

what does “proclaimed themselves by appearing in arms” mean?

thank you ahead of time


5 posted on 07/14/2008 8:05:07 PM PDT by Taffini (Mr. Pippin and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Three retards.


6 posted on 07/14/2008 8:24:07 PM PDT by Levante
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Three retards.


7 posted on 07/14/2008 8:24:24 PM PDT by Levante
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To: Taffini
what does “proclaimed themselves by appearing in arms” mean ?

I don't know. I had just condensed this down from a wiki article on the gun powder rebellion. Maybe a British freeper can translate this for us. I just thought I would add this to show how the English have handled such matters in the past.

8 posted on 07/14/2008 8:32:39 PM PDT by joshhiggins
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To: Taffini
what does “proclaimed themselves by appearing in arms” mean?

Probably means they took potshots at some Officials of the King, or may a Lord or three. I think a little later the terminology would be "bore arms against the King."

9 posted on 07/14/2008 9:11:48 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Levante
Now, now! That's an insult to retards!

What the Brits need to do is to let in a few more of these savages.

Then, they need to pick up the tab for their housing.

Then they need to give them free medical care.

Then they need to give them a few thousand pounds of welfare bennies, paid by the people whom they're trying to kill.

That way, they have all day every day to do nothing but sit around in mosque and figure out how to do things like blow up parliament.

Oh. Never mind. That's what they've already done! Good job GB!

10 posted on 07/14/2008 9:56:11 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead and will write him in!)
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To: Nachum

Not had capital punishment for some time in the UK, for fear of killing an innocent person.

In this case, the defendants are going to go away for a very long time. 25 years to life.

You should celebrate this success. We have, after all, saved American lives in stopping the plot. Or doesn’t that matter?


11 posted on 07/15/2008 5:22:36 AM PDT by Mercia
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Hmmm, funny.

I would add that in stopping this plot our Security Services have saved the lives of American citizens. I would have hoped for some thanks in these fair pages, not mocking.

Would you rather we didn’t stop the plot? It appears that whatever the outcome, you were going to have a bad word to say about the UK.


12 posted on 07/15/2008 5:24:56 AM PDT by Mercia
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To: Mercia
Would you rather we didn’t stop the plot? It appears that whatever the outcome, you were going to have a bad word to say about the UK.

Not at all. I like the UK. I just think that the justice system there is a rife with problems as the one in the US. Mark my words, this "justice" meted out to these thugs will come back to haunt both of us.

13 posted on 07/15/2008 9:04:31 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

I cant argue with the problems in our respective justice systems.

In this case though, I don’t think that the 3 accused are ever going to pose a problem to national security again.


14 posted on 07/15/2008 9:14:39 AM PDT by Mercia
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To: Mercia
25 years is BS. These guys will be just as nasty then as they are now. Plus, they'll each kill or influence others to kill, and the victims will probably be prison officials, guards, visitors or white collar criminals.

They should immediately be burned at the stake.

15 posted on 07/15/2008 11:21:18 AM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Mercia
In this case though, I don’t think that the 3 accused are ever going to pose a problem to national security again.

Not until:

a) A copycat bomber tries to imitate them
b) a kidnapping is performed on a UK subject here or there and the ransom demanded is a "prisoner swap".
c) the thugs train others in prison in their ideology.

Oh, I think they could well indeed pose a threat to UK national security. Maybe if Britain had a "Gitmo" type of solution for these slime it might be more of a deterrent, but execution is the only sure way to know they cannot ply their "trade" now or in the future or be the objects of future kidnappings or mayhem.

16 posted on 07/15/2008 11:49:40 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: muawiyah

There are very, very few deaths of prison guards in the UK. Its unlikely they will kill their visitors as they will be visiting them. Family members etc.

As for them doing some harm to other ‘white collar criminals’, I couldn’t care less. All criminals are in prison for a reason, so if one falls ill to anothers predations, then perhaps it may make them think why they broke the law in the first place.

And, if they are found guilty of terrorism, inciting racial hatred, attempted mass murder and the rest of it, they aren’t likely to get released, ever. Only when they can demonstrate they pose no risk to the UK public will they ever be considered for release. Until then, they can enjoy the hospitality of Belmarsh.

Burning at the stake is archaic, rightfully relegated to a time in our past when we jumped at shadows and conjured demons to explain our ills. I do though, applaud your enthusiasm!


17 posted on 07/15/2008 12:59:18 PM PDT by Mercia
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To: Nachum

‘a) A copycat bomber tries to imitate them’

Well, no matter what the sentence the Crown could impose, their is always the risk of copycaters following suit. This would be the case even if, as another FR fella said, they were ‘burned at the stake’.

B: The kidnapping, although a problem, isn’t top of the list. Where exactly is a home grown terrorist in the UK going to stash someone they have kidnapped, without rousing a fairly large amount of suspicion. Low risk, but I grant you, a faint possibilty.

C: Well, they will be sectioned with the other terrorist criminals in essentially ‘muslim’ wings in the prisons. Not ideal I grant you, but then the only way to stop them is to engage in capital punishment. I understand that if there was ever a crime that fits the punishment, Treason against the Crown would be it. In good conscience though, I am happy that we have spared their lives where they wouldn’t have. It makes me better, and more humane, than the enemy.


18 posted on 07/15/2008 1:06:27 PM PDT by Mercia
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To: Mercia

So far you haven’t had all that many prison personnel killed. Actually, you shouldn’t have any. With this new kind of ideologically motivated (and arrogant) prisoner, odds are good they will do what our lifers do ~ kill somebody.


19 posted on 07/15/2008 1:39:42 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Mercia
Where exactly is a home grown terrorist in the UK going to stash someone they have kidnapped, without rousing a fairly large amount of suspicion

Whose to say that it happens in the UK? People travel, and where there are softer targets, attempts can be made. Israelis have experienced this world wide.

It makes me better, and more humane, than the enemy.

It might also make someone more dead.

20 posted on 07/15/2008 2:43:43 PM PDT by Nachum
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