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The mystery of Prop. 98 (California Educational Funding)
LA Times ^ | 13 July 2008 | Joe Mathews

Posted on 07/13/2008 6:52:35 AM PDT by shrinkermd

What accounts for the respect given to the education funding guarantee? For one thing, Proposition 98, despite all its problems, has served the useful purpose of enshrining the most important public policy issue -- education -- as the state government's top priority. Second, there's widespread fear on the part of state politicians of challenging the teachers union and the rest of the education lobby.

But there's still another story behind the silence: The multiple formulas of Proposition 98 are so complex that they're difficult to understand, even more difficult to explain -- and, for those who want to know how much education money will go where, next to impossible to predict. Silence, it seems, is safer than wading into the thicket.

This widespread ignorance of Proposition 98's details is most apparent when interest groups make claims about education spending and budget cuts. This spring, for instance, teachers and education advocates protested the governor's budget proposal by claiming that he was proposing to cut education. Conservatives countered that year-over-year spending would go up under the governor's budget. But, in fact, neither side was correct because neither side knows.

No one -- not the governor, not legislators and certainly not journalists -- has any clear idea what Proposition 98's education guarantee will be in the new budget year, what size the cuts will be or whether education spending will be cut at all. And because Proposition 98 typically accounts for about 75% of education spending, and education is roughly half of the state's overall budget, the rule of thumb when it comes to claims about the California budget is this: No one knows anything. Why?

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; prop98
...Mockler drafted the initiative at the direction of the California Teachers Assn., which saw Proposition 98 as a defensive measure in the state funding battles that followed the adoption of Proposition 13 and its restrictions on tax increases. But Mockler has said he is not much of a fan of it or any initiative, even ones he has written. Direct democracy is "mob rule," he once told me.

Mockler insists that Proposition 98 is not as incomprehensible as it seems. He boils it down this way: Proposition 98 ensures that schools get the money they got last year, plus adjustments for inflation and enrollment. But if it were really that simple, would Mockler be hired so frequently to advise policymakers and others who don't understand it?

1 posted on 07/13/2008 6:52:36 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

The nurses and the teacher’s union kicked Aronold’s butt when he got in and tried to be fiscally responsible. Now no one will stand up to them. We need to take a direct attack: vouchers.


2 posted on 07/13/2008 7:00:28 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: shrinkermd

ya wanna increase funds available for public education...

Try checking the citizenship of the families who have their children enrolled in the public schools!

Voila!
All of a sudden, you have less children in public schools and GASP! Instantly, more money is made available for the schools and AMERICAN students.

It’s very elementary, Watson. (pun intended.LOL)


3 posted on 07/13/2008 7:03:22 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

The last thing the Teacher’s Union wants is responsible management of the schools. Every additional person enrolled, for whatever reason, means more power and money for them, even if they have to waste 99 dollars of taxpayer money to put 1 dollar in their pocket.


4 posted on 07/13/2008 7:11:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: kellynla

You must remember californias clock is in the 1800’s.


5 posted on 07/13/2008 7:14:18 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: Vaduz

“You must remember californias clock is in the 1800’s.”

Well, with the Lefties aborting their offspring and Conservatives multiplying like minks, we are fast becoming the majority in this state! And the Left & illegals are in for a rude awakening in the next few years. The “free ride” for illegals is about to come to a screeching halt!


6 posted on 07/13/2008 7:18:49 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: wintertime

ping


7 posted on 07/13/2008 7:25:36 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: kellynla

I’d love it if that were true. What makes you think it will happen? Reality does not register on the current legislature or governor.


8 posted on 07/13/2008 7:40:15 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: 17th Miss Regt

“What makes you think it will happen?”

Just go to the CA Sec. of State’s website and check out the increase in registered “I” & “R” voters over the past 12 years.

The GOP has gained the majority in 10 counties in the last 15 years. Contrary to what many out-of-staters think, CA elections are more recently “turned” by the registered “I” voters.


9 posted on 07/13/2008 7:50:36 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: purpleraine

We need to take a direct attack: vouchers.
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This has been tried in California and in Utah and lost **massively** in the voting booth.

Here is what needs to be done simultaneously:

1) A very tiny voucher program for the disabled. Then gradually increase this program a little bit each year. When one neighbor sees a child with dyslexia going to a private school she then petitions her legislator for voucher money for her child to go to private school. The pressure builds from parents and their families and the legislators then have enough backing to confront the NEA.

2) Raise money for private vouchers in narrowly targeted neighborhoods. When the parents see how well these private vouchers work, then organize grassroots community activists to lobby for government tax credits and vouchers. The mistake Sam Walton made with his private vouchers is that they were spread over too many cities, states, and neighborhoods.

3)Organize private and home schoolers to push for tax credits both for individuals and businesses.

4) Lobby like mad for increasing and eventually eliminating the cap on charters. ( Charters can eventually become voucher or tax credit schools.)

5) Do all that we can to discredit government schools. Encourage parents to privately or home school. The more homeschooling grows the worse government school achievement looks and the bigger the political backing for privatization of all K-12 education.


10 posted on 07/13/2008 7:55:56 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
I was here for the first defeat. Went to Catholic schools in Cal. My assessment of the school situation here is like several issues, throughout the baby and the bathwater and start over. You're idea seems good, incremental and such. I am very pessimistic that anything positive will come out of the initiative process or Sacrament. The unions and school districts will try to tie up any initiative win in court and the legislature just has their pockets open.

I believe Cal is headed to an economic disaster and that after that we'll have to be so draconian that mabye we can actually see some changes.

11 posted on 07/13/2008 8:09:53 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: purpleraine

or throw out


12 posted on 07/13/2008 8:20:58 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: kellynla

Wow - encouraging report. Thanks Kellynla!


13 posted on 07/13/2008 8:25:20 AM PDT by MonicaG (Help Wanted: Conservative leadership '08)
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To: purpleraine
The nurses and the teacher’s union kicked Aronold’s butt when he got in and tried to be fiscally responsible

Talk about widespread ignorance:

The self serving legislation that the Austrian proposed or supported and which he termed fiscally responsible was defeated by a broad spectrum of the electorate including conservatives. It was simply bad law, rejected by both the left and the right.

Prop 76 was the best example. A law sporting a populist theme but with a disguised agenda to shield his friends in New York who lent him $15B so he could keep spending.

14 posted on 07/13/2008 8:28:19 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: MonicaG

You’re welcome...but of course, we can’t sit on our laurels...we must DEMAND that the borders be secured and illegals DEPORTED (because the ‘Rats will do all they can to get them into the DMV and registered to vote!...that’s what Motor Voter is ALL ABOUT! Getting illegals who are receiving government assistance into the DMV, obtain a CA driver’s license and then be able to go to the next window and register to vote!) Because we all KNOW that foreigners don’t need state driver’s licenses to drive in America...the driver’s licenses from their home country are all anyone needs to drive here!


15 posted on 07/13/2008 8:39:54 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: shrinkermd

As a teacher in L.A., I can tell you that the amount of money wasted would make you vomit. Every couple years there’s a slick new curriculum for English, all new books, tons of training sessions, tons of supplementary materials, scads of new offices to regulate the new material, new positions for advisors and mentors and trainers to implement the new curriculum... then in a few years, either it’s toast and the books are obsolete, or someone decides it only applies to certain students, and now there’s a NEW bright, shiny curriculum....


16 posted on 07/13/2008 10:22:07 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Amerigomag
Voters wanted a real spending limit. They're still waiting for one. While I think its important to educate our kids, its not a government responsibility, its a parental one. I'm in favor of repealing Proposition 98 for that and other reasons. But the politics say if you want to junk the education establishment cum teachers' union spending guarantee from the state Constitution, you're against the children. The point is that bringing true rationality to California's byzantine and incomprehensible budget process is a tall order.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

17 posted on 07/13/2008 10:27:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
The problem:

The electorate, not the elected.
The electorate chose a contemporary, cultural icon; a movie character.
The electorate chose a foreign national, without regard to ideology.
The electorate chose a simple man and was disappointed when he failed.
The electorate keeps returning single issue ideologues to the legislature.
The electorate strives for direct democracy.

The cure:

Strengthen the due process for franchise.
Single language ballots.
Proof of citizenship and minimal literacy at the polls.
Limited absentee ballots secured through individual review.

18 posted on 07/13/2008 10:53:59 AM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: shrinkermd

No one knows anything. Why?
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We deserve the government we vote into office. Until the voters are willing to clean house completely we’re doomed. There can be no improvement as long as liberals are in control, none...NONE.


19 posted on 07/13/2008 12:43:40 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Amerigomag

I don’t know if we’re talking about the same thing. Rolling back the nursing to patient ratio on post-op floors and the education budget? Since this would have effected salaries and bennies in the education world, I don’t see the problem. You know there’s a big deficit here?


20 posted on 07/13/2008 7:39:16 PM PDT by purpleraine
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