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To: kellynla
Thanks for the links, I found them educational and enlightening: though, I already knew many of the concepts presented in them and I again reject the theology behind them based on the fact it is not based on the Holy Scriptures

The term transubstantiation seems to have been first used by Hildebert of Tours (about 1079). His encouraging example was soon followed by other theologians, as Stephen of Autun (d. 1139), Gaufred (1188), and Peter of Blois (d. about 1200), whereupon several ecumenical councils also adopted this significant expression, as the Fourth Council of the Lateran (1215), and the Council of Lyons (1274), in the profession of faith of the Greek Emperor Michael Palæologus.

Hummmmm....years: 1079, 1139, 1188,1200 A thousand years after the example Jesus set in the beginning

Bear in mind I deeply respect the RCC, they are the only institute in the world that stands for life and stand strong against secularism.

I just don't buy into the extra Biblical theology the RCC asks me to believe. I know that makes me apostate in your eyes, since I don't belong to the Universal Church and reject their hierarchy of belief.

The big difference between you and me is I believe Catholics are saved even though they believe theology outside of Scriptures where as far as I can tell you think I'm on the way to hell since I an a protestant

45 posted on 07/12/2008 9:17:28 AM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: Popman

“I again reject the theology behind them?”

Well, then that’s your problem now isn’t it.

“where as far as I can tell you think I’m on the way to hell since I an a protestant”

Where you are headed is up to you and God.


47 posted on 07/12/2008 9:28:36 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Popman
I was raised Catholic, attended Catholic grade school for 8 years then Catholic HS for 4. Took the catechism classes (exposition of doctrine) received the Sacraments, Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Eucharist and Penance (Confession).

There are many good Catholic's who truly understand salvation and are Christians. I am no longer a practicing Catholic, I found that many of the church's teaching's deviate from what I read in the Bible. Transubstantiation and Papal infallibility are but 2 of a myriad of doctrine that just doesn't line up with scripture. I am not bashing Catholic's when I say that many have never compared the Church's teaching to what the Bible actually teaches.

The history of the inquisitions which the church actually denied for centuries is a perfect example of how the truth of the Gospel was exchanged for man made doctrine.

53 posted on 07/12/2008 10:13:56 AM PDT by Snurple
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