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The Wrong Education Fix (Congress Wants to Eliminate Testing in NCLB Act)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 12 July 2008 | Unsigned Editorial

Posted on 07/12/2008 5:49:29 AM PDT by shrinkermd

President Bush has often spoken about education reform as a civil rights issue. So we're not entirely surprised to see civil rights groups now defending the No Child Left Behind law against attempts to gut its most effective provisions.

Last month, Representative Sam Graves, a Missouri Republican, introduced the NCLB Recess Until Reauthorization Act, which would essentially suspend the law's accountability provisions but not the funding. Under Mr. Graves's bill, schools would no longer have to file progress reports that expose achievement gaps between kids of different races, ethnicities and socioeconomic backgrounds.

Since NCLB passed in 2002, minority parents in particular have come to rely on this information to find out if a school is serving the needs of their children. But apparently Mr. Graves and his co-sponsor, Democrat Timothy Waltz of Minnesota, believe that the problem with public education today is too much accountability. Not surprisingly, teachers unions like the National Education Association are supporting their efforts.

What's heartening about this story is who has lined up to block this nonsense. The coalition includes the Citizens Commission on Civil Rights, the NAACP, the National Council of La Raza, the National Urban League, the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund and more than a dozen other liberal outfits.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Minnesota; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: 110th; bush; congress; education; nclb; testing
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To: shrinkermd

Ah - reviewed the article you posted earlier - fascinating - and I’m glad additional articles were referenced. Good reading - Thanks for posting


21 posted on 07/13/2008 4:48:13 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

My direct link no longer works; however, you can get La Griffe du Lion and look down the left column. You will come to an article summarizing the 85 problem.


22 posted on 07/13/2008 4:59:31 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
If you have not read the WSJ, you do not understand the basic facts of my position.

I read the WSJ article before you even posted it, and would have posted it myself except that you already had done so.

I agree that taking the accountability provisions out of NCLB would be unconscionable and defeat the entire purpose of the law. Personally, I think the accountability provisions should be stronger.

23 posted on 07/13/2008 6:17:33 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: wintertime
Why are teachers cooperating with this?

Mostly because they aren't smart enough to get real jobs, I think.

24 posted on 07/13/2008 6:55:30 PM PDT by Amelia (/sarcasm)
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To: shrinkermd

Teachers get paid little considering what most have to have to be certified.


25 posted on 07/13/2008 6:57:12 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Amelia
I dunno, I think some do it because we are masochists. We like to suffer and enjoy having people tell us how bad we are doing our jobs

That's certainly a possibility.

26 posted on 07/13/2008 6:57:36 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

That could be it, too. :-)


27 posted on 07/13/2008 7:00:26 PM PDT by Amelia (/sarcasm)
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To: Amelia

I thought most special education youth could be excluded from testing requirements.


28 posted on 07/13/2008 7:01:22 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

Oh, no, we’re vastly overpaid considering that we’re just glorified babysitters and get 3 months off in the summer! ;-)


29 posted on 07/13/2008 7:01:37 PM PDT by Amelia (/sarcasm)
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To: marajade

No, there is a certain percentage that can take alternative assessments, but those are usually the profoundly retarded students...most of the mildly retarded are not excluded at our school.


30 posted on 07/13/2008 7:02:59 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: marajade
I thought most special education youth could be excluded from testing requirements....

With all due respect and kindness, you thought wrong. Only 5% of all special education students in a system are exempt from testing. Those slots are reserved for the severe/profound population and the non-communicative autistics. After those are taken care of, then the trainable mentally retarded (IQ's from 50-59) get exemptions in their worst subjects, then on up to the educable mentally retarded get any slots left, and generally there are none.

However, there are some benefits to this as now kids teachers would have previously not have thought could learn, are being included and there are some successes, especially in the areas of reading. Math is still tough, but when the reading is high enough, the civics and science exams become doable. The reading level is key.

31 posted on 07/13/2008 7:09:01 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Amelia

Is that federal?


32 posted on 07/13/2008 7:09:34 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Amelia

You think you’re underpaid? I dunno, I think I’m overpaid considering all I do is sit in a class and let kids run around like chickens with their heads cut off whilst I read a trashy love novel and eat bon bons


33 posted on 07/13/2008 7:10:36 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (if you think I'm being sarcastic, you might be right)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Thanks, I didn’t know. I did know it depends on the qualifier for the classification and what a Psychologist from testing may determine.


34 posted on 07/13/2008 7:11:57 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

That is per NCLB - and it’s district wide, not school based. So one school may have fewer than 5 exempt, another could have 10, but the numbers are handled by the district testing office


35 posted on 07/13/2008 7:12:15 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (if you think I'm being sarcastic, you might be right)
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To: marajade; SoftballMominVA
Yes, federal. Even the special education students are supposed to perform at grade level.

Apparently some schools used to encourage the SpEd populations to stay home on test day so they wouldn't bring down the scores, so attendance is part of it too.

36 posted on 07/13/2008 7:14:15 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: SoftballMominVA

I knew a special education teacher who had three education PhDs and was making 50,000 a year. To me, that’s being underpaid.


37 posted on 07/13/2008 7:15:01 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: marajade

The exemptions are determined year by year through the IEP. So some kids may be exempt some years and not others. Districts look at their numbers several months before testing and if they are over, they ask teachers to look at their students and see if sufficient progress has been made. If not, and the numbers don’t change, then the school takes the hit on non-compliance.


38 posted on 07/13/2008 7:16:44 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: marajade

Apparently in some states a teacher with a master’s degree can make over $100K. In my state, the highest a teacher can make is about $72K - that’s with a doctorate and maxing out on the experience scale...


39 posted on 07/13/2008 7:17:08 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

“Apparently some schools used to encourage the SpEd populations to stay home on test day so they wouldn’t bring down the scores, so attendance is part of it too.”

That’s downright pure corruption.


40 posted on 07/13/2008 7:17:09 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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