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To: antisocial

Let’s set the record straight here. I’m not a moderate. I am a conservative and I will be supporting John McCain in November with my vote. For all of you conservatives out there who think that by voting for Baldwin or Barr that you’re registering a “protest” vote you are sadly mistaken. If you believe that by your own dereliction that electing the false messiah will somehow “right” the Republican party you are bordering on delusional.

We are currently a nation at war. Having Senator Greenhorn as our Commander and Chief in a time of war is similar to those funny Holiday Inn commercials. “No, I’m not your surgeon, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn.” The problem with this is that it’s deadly serious and I for one will not put the safety of my fellow Americans in the hands of this man. You may have plenty of issues with McCain, so be it. But don’t throw your vote away and possibly plunge this country into a black hole that it may not be able to recover from.


24 posted on 07/12/2008 6:53:07 AM PDT by RU88 (The false messiah can not change water into wine any more than he can get unity from diversity.)
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To: RU88
RAMM SAYS NO TO McCAIN

Republicans Against Maverick McCain (RAMM) announces its formation in response to the presumptive nomination of John McCain for President as the Republican Party’s standard-bearer in November. RAMM is committed to preserving the conservative vision for America as the foundation of the Republican Party. We cannot support John McCain for the Presidency of the United States of America because of his antithetical policy positions and voting record on amnesty, political free speech, expanded federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, global warming, access to domestic oil and gas supplies, e.g., drilling in ANWAR, and a host of other critical issues.

Senator McCain, a self-described maverick, is using the banner of the Republican Party as a flag of convenience to further his own political ambitions and agenda. His views don’t represent those held by the majority of Republicans. It is worth noting that Senator McCain became the presumptive nominee with just 31% of the total primary vote and that he was the only top tier candidate of either party that didn’t garner at least 50% of the vote in his/her home state. Winner-take-all and open primaries have permitted Senator McCain to game the system producing a nominee who doesn’t enjoy the support of most of his party.

The Republican political establishment has struck a Faustian bargain with Senator McCain over the political heart and soul of the GOP sacrificing principle and values in the illusory hope of winning the White House in November. In 1975, President Reagan said at CPAC, “A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers.” What political party nominates its maverick to be its standard bearer? What does it say about the core beliefs and values of that party? Conservatives are being offered a Hobson’s choice with the presumption that they have no alternative but to vote for the lesser of two evils. Whoever holds that view is sadly mistaken. If John McCain can vote on the basis of principle and conscience over party, so can we.

We will vote in the November 4, 2008 election for all Republican candidates except for the Office of the President, which will be left blank or filled in with a write-in candidate as determined by each RAMM voter. RAMM is a grassroots organization that provides a venue for alienated conservative Republican voters to express their objections to Senator McCain’s nomination. As Conservatives, we are concerned that a McCain candidacy will depress Republican turnout, which will damage the chances of other Republicans running in Congressional, state, and local elections. And many of these Republicans will have to take positions on critical issues that are diametrically opposed to those held by Senator McCain and their Democrat opponents, a sorry spectacle indeed and not conducive to winning elections.

The McCain nomination has taken a number of important issues off of the table during the general election because Senator McCain and his Democrat opponent hold essentially the same positions on immigration, global warming, campaign finance reform, federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, and environmental concerns as they impact the degree of access to vital sources of domestic sources of energy. Two issues, immigration reform and proposed legislative plans to address “man-made” global warming, deserve a national dialogue. The former has the potential to destroy this country and the latter to wreck our economy and curtail individual liberties.

Immigration, legal and illegal, plays a major role in every significant challenge facing this nation whether it is national security, health care, energy independence, education, the entitlement programs, transportation, infrastructure, taxes, the economy, the environ-ment, etc. McCain’s “cap and trade” legislative proposal mirrors the Democrat approach to unproven anthropomorphic global warming. If passed, our economy will become less competitive globally and the costs will be passed on to the consumer. It will be an unmitigated disaster. The general election could have served as a referendum on these so-called wedge issues, but that will be impossible with McCain at the head of the ticket.

We are also concerned about the future of the Republican Party. An unlikely McCain victory will further marginalize the conservative influence and move the party further to the Left. In 1965, Reagan said, “We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all.” By nominating John McCain, the GOP has ignored Ronald Reagan’s admonition.

Winning elections is certainly important and the sine qua non for the survival of any major political party. However, “winning isn’t the only thing” when it comes to maintaining a viable political party for the long term. The success of the Reagan Revolution and the subsequent Contract with America was based on conservative principles. Unfortunately, this success caused many Republicans in Congress, and yes in the White House, to lose their conservative moorings and become more like our opponents. The nomination of John McCain is just the culmination of the GOP’s descent into mediocrity and irrelevancy.

RAMM is a wake-up call to the GOP. Return to conservative principles or perish.

29 posted on 07/12/2008 7:04:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: RU88
Nobody is registering a "protest vote".

We are voting for slates of electors, ratified by the Secretary of State of each individual state, to stand as representatives (i.e. "electors") in the Electoral College, which will be counted by the US Congress assembled on 3 January 2009 in Washington, D.C. Some elector slates are composed of our fellow Americans who will stand for Barack Obama, some who will stand for John McCain, some who will stand for Chuck Baldwin, and some who will stand for Bob Barr (and/or others).

To be honest before you and God and not a liar, (particularly as relates to this thread and the issue of Immigration, the key to our country's future in my estimate) in fact I will have more in common with my fellow Americans who are in the final two pledged groups. So at this stage, my vote will go there, in support of a principled campaign, candidate, and most importantly, the campaign platform. It will be no more a throw away vote than one cast for McCain.

In fact, the real "PROTEST VOTE" which you talk about, if it does exist, is those of Conservatives voting for RINO/Liberal JOHN McCAIN. Because it is a PROTEST of Barack Obama, more than anything else, and not in SUPPORT of anything FOR McCain, as far as I can see these days.

Am I clear? Do you see that there is more than just one perspective to see this thing?

40 posted on 07/12/2008 9:07:39 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (No Matter HOW Liberal/Socialist Scarface's WHITE HOUSE Becomes There Won't Be A Single "FREEP" Of It)
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To: RU88
Let’s set the record straight here. .. For all of you conservatives out there who think that by voting for Baldwin or Barr that you’re registering a “protest” vote you are sadly mistaken.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

There are plenty of conservatives living in states that could handily go to Obama. If the last few weeks before the election strongly suggest an Obama victory in winner-take-all states, conservatives there would best serve the cause by registering their votes for right-wing third party candidates on their ballot. To vote for McCain under those circumstances would do more to shift the GOP to the left and drive the last nail in the conservative coffin.

For all of you conservatives out there who think that by voting for McCain regardless of your location you are automatically hurtng Obama, you are sadly mistaken.

103 posted on 07/15/2008 7:25:19 AM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar/Feathers '08)
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