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To: Raycpa
This story just doesn't make any sense.

FISA only applies to US territory. Since the terrorists were in Iraq, FISA did not apply to them and the NSA delay makes no sense.

Somebody obviously did foul up here, but I've seen no indication it was Congress.

35 posted on 07/11/2008 9:17:59 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act

(I know the source -I’m too lazy to get actual law but this is good enough to start)

Without a court order

The President may authorize, through the Attorney General, electronic surveillance without a court order for the period of one year provided it is only for foreign intelligence information;[10] targeting foreign powers as defined by 50 U.S.C. §1801(a)(1),(2),(3)[11] or their agents; and there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party.[12]

The Attorney General is required to make a certification of these conditions under seal to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court,[13] and report on their compliance to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.[14]

Since 50 U.S.C. § 1802(a)(1)(A) of this act specifically limits warrantless surveillance to foreign powers as defined by 50 U.S.C. §1801(a) (1),(2), (3) and omits the definitions contained in 50 U.S.C. §1801(a) (4),(5),(6) the act does not authorize the use of warrantless surveillance on: groups engaged in international terrorism or activities in preparation therefore; foreign-based political organizations, not substantially composed of United States persons; or entities that are directed and controlled by a foreign government or governments.[15] Under the FISA act, anyone who engages in electronic surveillance except as authorized by statute is subject to both criminal penalties[16] and civil liabilities.[17]

Under 50 U.S.C. § 1811, the President may also authorize warrantless surveillance at the beginning of a war. Specifically, he may authorize such surveillance “for a period not to exceed fifteen calendar days following a declaration of war by the Congress.”[18]

45 posted on 07/11/2008 9:33:58 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Alter Kaker

>>>>>This story just doesn’t make any sense. FISA only applies to US territory. Since the terrorists were in Iraq, FISA did not apply to them

I agree. However, based on the last year of observation and reading, I’d that 99.99 percent of Americans do not understand FISA or the NSA programs, and in that number I include reporters, talking heads, Congressmen, and even FReepers.


71 posted on 07/11/2008 11:05:46 AM PDT by angkor (Conservatism is not now and never has been a religious movement.)
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To: Alter Kaker
Somebody obviously did foul up here, but I've seen no indication it was Congress.

So Congress had no hand in putting these FISA laws in place? hmmmmmmmmm

Seems to be some folk in here today carrying water for Congress

166 posted on 07/13/2008 9:33:27 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (No trees were killed in sending this message but a large number of electrons were terrible agitated)
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