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After protesting gun rule, Disney guard is fired
Orlando Sentinel ^ | July 8, 2008 | Scott Powers

Posted on 07/08/2008 1:21:49 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: justlurking
Kind of misdirected. Disney's real safety issue is that employee cars might have guns in them and a gazillion people a day show up, wander around the parking lots, and they're gonna' break in employee cars to get guns.

So, yea, Disney is right to be concerned. On the other hand, Disney is wrong to deny their employees the right to carry guns on their way to and from work which is what they're doing with this parking lot deal.

A reasonable thing to do would be for Disey to build a "gun safe room" in the employee preparation area. That way they could bring their guns into the room, and out of their cars, and have them safely locked up during the day.

In the meantime the affected employees should take Disney to court for engaging in a conspiracy to deny them their civil rights.

21 posted on 07/08/2008 1:41:12 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: kbennkc
Does Disney attempt to disarm its patrons ?

At every park's entrance.

22 posted on 07/08/2008 1:41:26 PM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: tatsinfla

From what i read of the Fla. statutes, The House of Mouse doesn’t qualify as an exemption. What, do they think they’re below the law??


23 posted on 07/08/2008 1:41:35 PM PDT by blu (Last one out of Michigan, please turn off the lights.)
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To: neverdem
Well, I thought Disney had learned its lesson on being politically correct. I guess not.
24 posted on 07/08/2008 1:41:55 PM PDT by kempo
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To: neverdem; dynachrome

Should Disney employees with concealed-weapons permits be allowed to keep their guns in their cars while at work?

Yes.

All other employees are able to. (14462 responses) ...81.1%

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-guns-disney-poll-070208,0,431434,post.poll


25 posted on 07/08/2008 1:42:23 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: muawiyah

It would be reasonable for Disney to provide security so their employees have a safe working environment. Its not reasonable to restrict a law abiding persons rights on the grounds someone else may break the law.

Seriously folks, if someone is going to commit murder at work does anyone actually think they will worry about breaking the no gun at work rule.

its not about work place safety, its about perceived liability issues and control.


26 posted on 07/08/2008 1:47:01 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: neverdem

“...keep guns in their cars on Disney property.”


Isn’t it private property?
Just like you have the right to determine if someone brings a weapon unto your property, so does Disney.


27 posted on 07/08/2008 1:52:32 PM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: driftdiver
its not about work place safety, its about perceived liability issues and control

I agree . I refuse to submit myself to situations where someone requires me to disarm then has neither the duty nor capability to protect me . Since I retired I no longer fly commercial for this same reason .

28 posted on 07/08/2008 1:57:24 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
The loophole was lobbied for by a group of lawyers that represented groups and businesses that included Disney, The Orlando Sentinel reports.

Aha! The stealth exemption.

Had Disney tried for an clause that was clearly granting themselves an exemption, it would not have passed. But, they apparently realized they could sneak this one in. And they were right.

29 posted on 07/08/2008 1:57:33 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: neverdem
He can now a file lawsuit since Disney broke the law and this is clearly an act of retaliation for his exercise of his Second Amendment rights.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

30 posted on 07/08/2008 1:58:15 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Thanks to George76. Poll link is in #25. Read the story.
I am more concerned that Disney thinks it is exempt from state laws.

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31 posted on 07/08/2008 2:12:05 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right)
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When you decide to take a stand, prepare to be treated harshly, particularly if you're one of those 'gun-toting whackos'.

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32 posted on 07/08/2008 2:12:28 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem

It’s the happiest place on Earth!


33 posted on 07/08/2008 2:13:32 PM PDT by djsherin
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To: neverdem
Disney advised its employees late last month that the theme-park resort is exempt from that state law,

Apparently Disney Corp thinks they are exempt from the Constitution too.

34 posted on 07/08/2008 2:13:37 PM PDT by weegee (Maybe 143 days wasnÂ’t enough experience.)
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To: justlurking

Disney claimed they are exempt because they have fireworks on property. Way away from his car in the parking lot. He works in security, he already holds a position of “authority” (as opposed to being a soda jerk).

Some suspect that Disney lobbying efforts may have gotten the “exemption” into the law.


35 posted on 07/08/2008 2:15:54 PM PDT by weegee (Maybe 143 days wasnÂ’t enough experience.)
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To: Stark_GOP

Florida legislature disagrees with you. They find that the car belongs to the man driving it and that he should not have to surrender his commuting safety to comply with Disney policy.


36 posted on 07/08/2008 2:21:15 PM PDT by weegee (Maybe 143 days wasnÂ’t enough experience.)
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To: puppypusher

“No vacation dollars for Disney from my family.”

same here! now the terrorist know where an easy target is.


37 posted on 07/08/2008 2:23:22 PM PDT by Iron head mike
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To: neverdem
The State of Oklahoma sued in federal court by Conoco-Phillips and others.

10/6/2007

A Tulsa federal judge has ruled against the state in its attempt to make sure employees can take guns onto their employers' property.

U.S. District Judge Terence Kern issued a permanent injunction against an Oklahoma law that would have kept employers from banning firearms at the workplace under certain conditions.

Kern decided in a 93-page written order issued Thursday that the amendments to the Oklahoma Firearms Act and the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act, which were to go into effect in 2004, conflict with a federal law meant to protect employees at their jobs.

Whirlpool Corp. opted out of the Tulsa lawsuit in November 2004, and the Williams Cos. and ConocoPhillips took over as the primary plaintiffs.

Williams later dropped out of the lawsuit, leaving ConocoPhillips, which is based in Houston but employs more than 3,000 people in Oklahoma, to carry on with the case.

Tulsa attorney Steve Broussard, representing ConocoPhillips, said Friday that the company is pleased with the ruling.

Kern concluded that the proposed changes to Oklahoma law conflict with -- and are legally pre-empted by -- the 1970 Occupational Health and Safety Act.

That federal law requires employers to lessen hazards in their workplaces that could lead to death or serious bodily harm. The measure also encourages employers to prevent gun-related workplace injuries.

According to Kern's opinion, Alaska, Kansas, Minnesota and Kentucky have passed similar laws, while 13 states have rejected such measures.

Meanwhile, the National Rifle Association has embarked on a state-by-state campaign to get legislatures to enact laws that require employers to allow their workers to bring guns onto company parking lots.

"When you get off work at 12 o'clock or 1 o'clock and you're driving home, you have the right to protect yourself if you're accosted on the highway," Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president has said.

The amendments to Oklahoma law were made after forest products giant Weyerhauser Corp. fired eight employees in 2002 when guns were found in their cars on company lots in Oklahoma. Federal courts later upheld the firings.

Will Heller affect these rulings made in 2007 and before?

38 posted on 07/08/2008 2:27:46 PM PDT by TYVets
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To: TYVets

Which is why I never buy Conoco gasoline. And I drive a lot.


39 posted on 07/08/2008 2:31:09 PM PDT by abb (Watergate was a Drive-By Media coup d'etat. )
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To: driftdiver

However if they find you carrying inside the park they will charge you with trespass.


Not commenting on whether Disney has its own justice system, but trespass usually requires a refusal to leave.


40 posted on 07/08/2008 2:32:49 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people, criminals and the governments that create them do.)
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