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Aggressive bear shot in Denali National Park and Preserve
Fairbanks Daily News-Miner ^
| July 6, 2008
Posted on 07/08/2008 12:55:40 PM PDT by george76
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To: LibWhacker
The bear would be moving and the closer it is the faster the angle changes. Aim for the center of mass, don’t even try to place shots. You’ll be lucky to track the center of mass. Be ready to shoot from the hip because that might be the only shot you have.
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posted on
07/08/2008 2:00:14 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(I will veto each and every beer)
To: george76
The bear must have been overheated in its fur coat.
To: Notasoccermom
Overheated in fur coat, indeed! Perhaps that’s what ails my crazy dog, who is really out of sorts lately with the heat here in L.A. She’s more aggressive than usual towards just about anything/anyone.
To: Notasoccermom
The bear must have been overheated in its fur coat.Silly bears! Didn't they get the memo about only wearing synthetic furs?!
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posted on
07/08/2008 2:25:07 PM PDT
by
blu
(Last one out of Michigan, please turn off the lights.)
To: RightWhale
Okay, thanks, RW, that sounds like good advice. I know you’re an Alaskan, so I’ll take your word for it!
To: george76
“The bear was hit in its mid-section with a 12-gauge shotgun slug. Despite considerable blood loss, the wounded bear moved into dense vegetation and out of view.”
It`s a game preserve. They could have gotten the hell out of there instead of gut shooting it. Now the bear will probably die a slow, agonizing death.
To: LibWhacker
A polar bear was killed in Fort Yukon a few months ago. The one who finally got it had an AR-15 and the bear came on so fast that there was not time to bring the firearm to the shoulder and aim. 10 rounds were fired from the hip as fast as possible, which is prety fast. Wouldn’t hurt to try this technique some day when nobody else is at the firing range.
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posted on
07/08/2008 4:03:38 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(I will veto each and every beer)
To: Little Ray
Thanks for correcting AAM. The ranger gut shot the bear, I bet.
To: RightWhale
They kick people out of the firing range I used to go to (down by Half Moon Bay) if they catch you practicing your rapid fire techniques. Ticks me off because when I was growing up in the midwest I could go out on the back porch and do all the rapid firing I wanted to without asking anyone's permission. Now they act like you're some kind of insane maniac if you do try it. God, for the good old days!
Must admit, bears scare the crap out of me, especially the big'uns, grizz, the big browns, and polar bears. Don't even want to mess with them! Heck, I won't even mess with the so-called "tame" ones!
To: LibWhacker
insane maniac if you do try it ...if you try it.
To: allmendream
So you were the one in real danger eh? lol
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posted on
07/08/2008 8:52:20 PM PDT
by
TigersEye
(Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
To: TigersEye
Those hot Chico women and that cold Chico beer (Sierra Nevada) can be a dangerous combination! But less scary than a seven foot tall bear who can run a hundred yards crashing through thick brush with a broken shoulder and no heart or lungs to speak of.
To: allmendream
I’m not so sure about that anymore. But I’ve always felt more comfortable in the woods than in a bar. ;^)
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posted on
07/08/2008 8:58:42 PM PDT
by
TigersEye
(Berlin '36 Olympics for murdering regimes Beijing '08)
To: allmendream
Many, many moons ago, my dad and I were hunting whitetails out at Fort Knox and my dad hit a spike buck three times in the chest and neck with 12 gauge slugs and the deer kept on going for a quarter of a mile. Field dressed, he only weighed in at 85 pounds.
I hate to think of what a grizzly that weighs 850 pounds could do to you, even after taking three slugs.
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posted on
07/08/2008 9:17:31 PM PDT
by
Stonewall Jackson
(Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
To: AnAmericanMother; Little Ray; Hacklehead; Integrityrocks; redhead; girlangler; george76
1. Undergunned. 12 gauge is a great tool for aggressive humans. It ain't enough for aggressive black bears. This guy needed one of the heavy rifles, loaded alternately with partition bullets and solids. I'm partial to the Old Reliable, .375 Holland and Holland Magnum -- but most professional hunters are now carrying one of the big Winchester or Weatherby magnums.
Are you serious??? A 12-ga loaded with 2 3/4 lead slugs is more than sufficient for black bear, and they're quite often hunted with a lot less. There are guides on Kodiak Island who recommend a .375H&H for brown bear there, but plenty of large brown bears and polar bears have been taken with less (.338 win mag, .300 & .340 weatherbys).
2. When you wound game, you always follow it up. . . . unless you're a park ranger. If the bear had lost that much blood, it wouldn't have been difficult to track. I suspect that these sometime hunters were reluctant to head into heavy cover after a wounded bear. To avoid this situation, see item No. 1.
This is not the first time this has occurred, btw. Back when my dad was in his 30s, he was hunting with a Game Warden who gut shot a deer. They tracked the blood trail for awhile, but the warden got tired and left my dad to track on alone. He followed that deer for FOUR HOURS, found it dead, and packed it out.
Bears are difficult to kill immediately, even with a clean heart or lung shot, and they can travel a fair distance before collapsing. The last thing you do is walk out to them if it walks off especially if you have to take a less-than-ideal shot (as this case suggests). You have to give them sufficient time, a wounded bear is extremely dangerous.
In Denali, and much of alaska, the shrubs and alders can grow extremely tall and thick. Very difficult to walk through, and visibility from the air would be as difficult as from the ground.
My guess is that a team of rangers will conduct a search for this bear, provided a grizzly hasn't gone away with it.
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posted on
07/08/2008 9:31:20 PM PDT
by
proud_yank
(Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
To: RightWhale
I was told it was a cross (polar/griz). Don’t know if its true or not, didn’t look into it.
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posted on
07/08/2008 9:34:03 PM PDT
by
proud_yank
(Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
To: Stonewall Jackson
It was only a single slug, but it hit into the thoracic cavity from the shoulder breaking the shoulder bone and shredding the heart and lungs.
And that Bear could have killed a man with a single swipe. It tore through thick brush like it was tissue paper.
To: proud_yank
Thanks.
After this, any local talk to legally allow CCW people to enter parks armed ?
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posted on
07/08/2008 9:48:58 PM PDT
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: allmendream
I'm glad he didn't head in your direction.
We are starting to have a fairly large black bear population here in Central Kentucky. There have been a number of human-bear encounters, but so far they have all been "friendly". The state is getting ready to have the first bear hunt in decades (probably next year) over in Eastern Kentucky.
There have also been several reported mountain lion sightings here in Hardin County over the past couple of years. The game wardens initially dismissed these sightings as dogs or maybe bobcats, but a farmer in Eastview who'd lost a couple of cows to this animal set up a motion-activated camera in one of his fields and actually took a couple of pictures of it. The game warden now says that it was probably an illegal pet that somebody released when it got too big.
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posted on
07/08/2008 10:18:20 PM PDT
by
Stonewall Jackson
(Accept the challenges so that you can feel the exhilaration of victory. - George Patton)
To: george76
Don’t know and doubt it’d have any influence. Denali is different than most parks too, you need to get permits to go backpacking and hiking any distance inside it.
A few weeks ago in Anchorage, a young girl was mountain biking (inside a park) and was attacked by a sow griz. She lived, but was torn up. They decided the bear shouldn’t be shot.
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posted on
07/08/2008 10:57:50 PM PDT
by
proud_yank
(Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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