Posted on 07/07/2008 10:18:06 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
never heard that and I live in MN. I know Minneapolis has the “no idling” law, but I’ve never heard of it actually being enforced yet.
sort of like their city council resolutions condemning war, fur, circuses, etc.-—all meaningless.
If they condemn the cirus.. won’t they be condemning themselves lol
Even a vehicle with a “1” rating on the smog scale would be 10 times cleaner as an average vehicle on the road 40 years ago.
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“California is making it mandatory for cars to be labeled with global warming scores,”.....
What the hell?....How about a Fxxx Yxx label?
Start with the description of Sudbury, for the half-truths. The land around Sudbury is a moonscape — that's the half that's true. What's not said is that sulphur and other emissions have been reduced to a smal fraction of what they were. The land is now being reclaimed — which will be a lengthy process. Also, Sudbury isn't the only source of nickel — and newer mines don't have the pollution problems of the old Sudbury.
Then there's the travelogue about the nickel's movement from mine to Prius battery. So the nickel is shipped around for processing. So what!? The cost of the final product is obviously less than it would have been if it hadn't been shipped to specialist processors at each step — otherwise, why would a profit-seeking company like Toyota bother?
In the end, Toyota is able to sell a Prius for under $30k, battery included — and make a substantial profit.
The nickel in the battery pack will be recycled. The same nickel will be used again and again. These batteries are large & it will certainly be worthwhile to recycle them. Owners aren't just going to toss them in the garbage, like they would with a used AA cell, from their flashlight.
The cost/mile driven has been debunked here on Free Republic several times. It's totally, completely, and utterly bogus.
First, in practice, the Prius batteries are lasting a lot longer than 100,000 miles. That has to do with the fact that the Prius isn't an electric vehicle — the batteries only provide a fraction of the motive power.
Once again, the batteries will be recycled. The total energy requirements are overstated — greatly overstated.
Where did the $3.25/mile lifetime cost come from? Never-mind, I don't think I really want to know. Think about it. Consider an average, middle-class Prius owner who drives 20,000 miles/year. At $3.25/mile that would be $65,000/year total. That's more than the average driver makes before taxes. There's no way that people wouldn't notice that cost. Clearly, the figure is completely bogus. It's so bogus, that it's hard to imagine how anyone ever came up with it — double-counting wouldn't do it. It's off by at least a factor of 5.
Finally, the “5 years to offset the premium price of the Prius” is certainly yesterday's news. It might have made sense when gas was $2.50/gallon — it doesn't compute with today's prices. Also, the author blatantly contradicts himself. If the Prius really did cost $3.25/mile; its price would never, ever be offset.
Don't show this article to any of your liberal friends — they'll just laugh in your face.
How damn rediculous is this going to get?....
Watch next for global warming scores on cheap Mexican burritos and refried beans.....!
The inmates are running the insane asylum.
bttt
Never met an intellectual liberal capable of laughing at my face because he`s in possession of all the facts.
The very IDEA of a sticker labels revealing a “global warming value” is a non-starter.CO2 is not a pollutant, does not,never has antedated temp increases.
It`s a joke,only gaia earth worshippers will stare at those car labels.
Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated.
I agree with everything you just said.
I apologize if the tone of my previous post was too harsh.
Its ok, debate get s the blood flowing.
On principle alone i wouldn`t buy a prius, it`s all based on false science
The best way to analyze it, would be to look at the incremental costs, compared to incremental savings. That's not easy to do with a Prius (which probably occurred to the Toyota marketing department), because it's a unique vehicle. It's relatively easy to compare Honda Civic hybrids to regular Civics. Or Toyota Camry hybrids to regular Camrys. From what I've read, these hybrids do seem to save a bit of money, after a few years use.
I'm looking forward to the Chevy Volt. I hope that it's a huge success; and that it helps pull GM out of the tail-spin its in now. If they get the battery technology right; a plug-in-hybrid, such as the Volt, could save a lot of oil. There's a lot of spare capacity in the electrical grid, during off-peak hours, and that could be used to power plug-in hybrid vehicles. It will be a way of using coal or nuclear power to fuel your vehicle.
I live in the north, winters are hard and snow is deep. nothing even on the horizon to replace my 4X4 350 Chevy
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