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To: chaosagent
Strata-Sphere seems to think that Hawaii BC's are printed all at once, green background, black border, state seal, personal info, everything in one fell swoop.

First of all, I really don't get this whole "fake Birth Certificate" thing. It seems to me that the only possible thing he could be hiding is that he is not a US citizen, but I'm sure if that were the case the Clintons would have already brought that to light and would be claiming Hillary is the presumed nominee by default.

However, the claim by Strata-Sphere is just dumb, that is security paper that is made by a bonded paper company. It includes watermarks and other embedded security marks to prevent forgeries. I have had past experience dealing with this type of paper and for security reasons it is usually produced on tracker feed paper and fed into old dot matrix printers that have counters on them so that a missing sheet can be detected. Each page had to be accounted for included pages damaged by mis-feeds or jams. Although I don't know for a fact that Hawaii uses the same security measures for their paper, it would be reasonable to assume that they do because of the nature of the document especially post-9/11.

6 posted on 07/06/2008 2:01:05 PM PDT by txroadkill (Liberals believe that the only oppressed people in Cuba are the terrorist in GitMo)
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To: txroadkill
but I'm sure if that were the case the Clintons would have already brought that to light and would be claiming Hillary is the presumed nominee by default.

I don't know what I think about the birth certificte thing but that is not a alid argument. I'm sure her campaign sucked big time and attempted to mail it in. People are way more stupid than you think and that includes Barry Dunham's people

8 posted on 07/06/2008 2:19:52 PM PDT by Stentor (Obama supporters. Letting the little void do the thinking for the big void.)
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To: txroadkill
but I'm sure if that were the case the Clintons would have already brought that to light and would be claiming Hillary is the presumed nominee by default.

That is a reasonable supposition. But if they are aware of his not being a US citizen and are waiting for the right moment to strike for the kill, just before the convention would be a good time. Remember, she is not spending campaign funds now. If she can zap him and only need to campaign for about three months, her financial burden would be greatly alleviated. Would she do such a thing to her party? In a heartbeat.

I don't know if this citizenship thing will turn out to be a tempest in a teacup. The Obama campaign may have a real certificate out there and simply be waiting for the right time to post it for maximum effect. But it seems to me to be much more effective to just post the real certificate and end the matter than to play a game like this. Obama knows about this matter beyond a shadow of a doubt. This goes to the question of his judgement. Will minor problems generally be ignored and allowed to grow into a major ones?

10 posted on 07/06/2008 2:55:31 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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