Kuhner: The case for McCain

To think McCain is advancing socialism is a very strange outlook indeed.

You might want to review his history, it is quite illuminating where that particular charge is concerned:

Military and Related Foreign Policy Issues

1. Agrees with Democrats that our Foreign Policy has been arrogant and we need to be more humble.
2. Voted against bill that would impose sanctions against foreign governments and companies that invest more than $20 million in Iran's energy sector until the president certified to Congress that Iran had dismantled its weapons of mass destruction Here and Here
3. McCain graduates from Annapolis, 894th out of a class of 898. McCain had conflicts with higher-ups, and he was disinclined to obey every rule.
4. McCain loses the first of five aircraft he will lose over the period of his career as a Naval Pilot, contributing to him becoming a reverse Ace. Poore states circa 1960. Article here states 1958. Ace McCain
5. McCain graduates from flight training. He is required to do six arrested landings aboard the Training Aircraft Carrier, the USS Antietam, in the Gulf of Mexico to be certified. He completes two.
6. McCain joins 26 other Republicans to vote with the Majority Party Congressional Democrats to demand U.S. Troops exit Lebanon, winds up on the losing side.
7. McCain co-sponsors an unsuccessful bill to cut off funding of United States troops in Somalia
8. McCain and John Kerry release the Select Committee report urging the MIA issue be put to rest so that Vietnam could be granted normalized relations with the U.S., over objections by MIA family and veterans groups.
8. McCain announces he deplores the Swift Boat adds against Senator John Kerry, and asks the White House to refute them.
9. McCain declares, "I want us in the ICC (International Criminal Court)", but I would like to see more safeguards first
10. McCain joins Dole to write op-ed for the Washington Post, states in part, "We should publicly remind Khartoum that the International Criminal Court has jurisdiction to prosecute war crimes...
11. McCain states he will close Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainment center on his first day in office
12. McCain's Gitmo problem, close the base, grant Geneva Convention status, stop water boarding...
13. McCains speech to the World Affairs Council, Europe may get veto power over some of our foreign policy...
14. McCain announces support for severe cutbacks on our nuclear weapons, withdrawing battlefield nukes from Europe and giving our nuclear waste to an international body
15. McCain states, "I disagreed strongly with the Bush administration's mismanagement of the war in Iraq.
16. McCain still wants us to sign the L.O.S.T. treaty in time, but does have concerns over sovereignty issues.
17. McCain Defends John Kerry on Defense matters
18. Wants to close Guantanamo and give Terrorists modified military trials with some of the same rights as our civil court system.

Moral and Social Issues and Positions

1. Support for embryonic stem cell research (Murder of unborn babies).
2. Wants to moderate or soften the Pro-Life plank of the GOP Platform. See Here and Here and Here.
3. Voted for Pro-Abortion Bill and Here.
4. Has flip-flopped on overturning Roe vs. Wade.
5. Divorced his wife after he got back from Vietnam. The same woman who remained true to him and raised his kids while he was imprisoned.
6. Strongly against Same Sex Marriage Ban Constitutional Amendment
7. McCain leads the opposition to the Coats Amendment, preventing government funded fetal tissue research ( derived from "a legal act" [abortion] ) Amendment defeated!
8. 1999/08/19 - McCain stated, ""Certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade,"
9. 2007/06/00 - McCain joins Baldwin, Shays and Meehan to file an amicus brief against the Wisconsin Right to Life organization brief The wrong side of a pro-life issue, helping pro-abort Feingold
10. 2004/06/04 - McCain signs letter with 58 Senators, "We write to urge you (President Bush) to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research

Fiscal Issues

1. Socialist Approach to Economics I.: Supports Windfall Profit Tax
2. Socialist Approach to Economics II.: Will Regulate CEO Pay
3. Socialist Approach to Economics III.: Wants to bail out sub-prime losers (many of which are either illegal aliens or lied on thier applications) with US tax money.
4. Socialist Approach to Economics IV.: Wants to implement a socialist Health Care proposal that includes providing tax-coffer monies (your tax dollars) to the states to provide Health Care Insurance for those who either refuse to pay for it, or are unable to afford it (mostly illegal aliens).
5. Socialist Approach to Economics V.: Thinks and states that Pharmaceutical companies are evil
6. Voted against President Bush’s tax cuts (called them tax-cuts for the rich)
7. Voted against repealing the death tax.
8. John McCain's Top 10 Class-Warfare Arguments Against Tax Cuts
9. Total support for global warming scam, including the Carbon Cap-and-Trade system. See Here

Judges

1. Gang of Fourteen (Kept some of President Bush’s best judges from being presented for a vote) See here and here
2. McCain tells Clinton supporters they should back him because he voted for Ginsberg and Breyer
3. 1988/02/11 - McCain votes to affirm Anthony Kennedy as a justice for the SCOTUS
4. 1990/10/02 - McCain votes to Confirm Justice David H. Souter from New Hampshire to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS Court
5. 1993/08/10 - McCain joins the Democrats and most Republicans voting to confirm Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the worst justice on the court today. Three Republicans vote Nay.
6. 1994/07/24 - McCain joins with the Democrats to confirm nominee Stephen Breyer to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS. Nine Senators voted Nay...

Legislation Fathered by McCain

1. McCain-Fiengold (Assault on Free Speech, Gun Groups and Pro-Life Groups)
2. McCain-Kennedy (Amnesty for criminal Illegal Aliens)
3. McCain-Lieberman (50 cents a gallon tax)
4. McCain-Edwards-Kennedy (Many Democrat inspired bad rules included in this monstrosity)

Gun-Rights - 2nd Amendment Issues

1. F grade from Gun-Owners of America.
2. C grade from NRA.
3. 2000/11/20 - McCain participates in the production of a gun control spot for Oregon's Proposition Five. (Circa this date, prior to the November election.)
4. 2001/05/15 - McCain introduces the Gun Show Loophole bill S890, with Carper, Lieberman, DeWine, Clinton, and Schumer co/sponsoring.

General All-Around Unreliability on Conservative and GOP issues

1. 65% score from American Conservative Union in 2006
2. Flirted with the idea of crossing over to the Dems in 2004.
3. Refuses to drill in ANWR. See here and here
4. Has accepted funding from Soros and Teresa Heinz-Kerry for his institute
5. "I think the Democrat Party is a fine and I have no problems with it, in their views and philosophy"
6. Missed 60.8 % of all votes. Most of any Senate Member
7. The list of shame: John McCain's votes against the GOP and conservatism in general. Read them and weep Freepers!

“Ignore the faggot Dem Trolls, they’re all wastes of good oxygen. When you get them all worked up, they breathe more, when guys like you and me could be putting all that oxygen to good use.
;-/ “

LOL

You are right!!...but its Saturday night...and I’m stuck at home with a summer cold.

Kinda fun to play with the feral cats....wish my head was not clouded with Vicks vapor rub..!!

Eagls Eye and Man50D are obviously Obama-rump-swab Democrat Troll faggots.

Until now, I never realized that you Party groupies could be so erudite.

*snicker*

And you might want to read Dennis Prager’s article I posted in post 59, but here is the link again:

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/DennisPrager/2008/07/01/why_i_support_john_mccain

“Conservatives who will not vote for McCain are well-intentioned utopians. They are comparing McCain to a consistently conservative candidate. The reality, however, is that McCain is not running against a consistently conservative candidate. He is running against a consistently left-wing candidate. And America cannot afford to have its first leftist president ever. It can afford liberal presidents — such as Bill Clinton, or Jimmy Carter (who governed as a liberal but became a leftist after leaving the White House), or John F. Kennedy, or Lyndon Johnson, or Harry Truman — i.e., all the Democrats who have been president since World War II. But the Democratic Party has moved well to the left of liberalism. And Barack Obama is at the left of that left-wing party.

Furthermore, given the strong possibility of a Democratic House, a Democratic Senate, and a liberal Supreme Court for decades to come, given the number of Supreme Court appointments a Democratic president will be able to make, an Obama victory will move America more radically leftward than ever in its history.

That is why the argument that an Obama administration will be so destructive that Americans will reject the left and then elect a real conservative to undo the damage done in an Obama presidency is deeply flawed. “

Oh, and one more thing, before the GOP ostriches get around to accusing me of being a Troll or some other so-intelligent retort, I know Obama is a Marxist and I will not be voting for him, however, up to this point, McCain hasn’t given me a reason to vote for him except his almost turn around on ANWR and flirting with the idea of Drilling in the US.

He will have to come out against Amnesty to get my vote.

Nothing less will do, not the threat of dealing with a Marxist in the Presidency, nor McCain being slightly better than Obama.

McCain is going to have to act like a Republican to get my vote.

Oh! But yer jesta meenie McCain hater! AND HE’S NOT OBAMA!

GET IT!? NOT....NOT....NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! (sure told you, so there)

Agreed. I’ve even sent a few $$, a first for me !

Furthermore, given the strong possibility of a Democratic House, a Democratic Senate, and a liberal Supreme Court for decades to come, given the number of Supreme Court appointments a Democratic president will be able to make, an Obama victory will move America more radically leftward than ever in its history.

You are dreaming if you do not realize that with McCain's plans to provide Amnesty to the Illegal Aliens and his Carbon Cap-and-Trade plans he will utterly destroy the GOP for decades to come guaranteeing minority status and fracturing the GOP.

You’ve ignored the questions I asked and I’m not interested in your links. If you need to read Dennis Prager to determine what you believe, go ahead. Some are capable of, and actually prefer to make their own decisions. Have a good night.

Thanks for the heads up about what kind of crap to look out for from the Obama camp.

You got to know that somebody posing as a FReeper is going to use the DNC talking points to slam the only viable candidate in the election.

If you possibly can send me one of your spare McCain yard signs.

Thanks for the heads up about what kind of crap to look out for from the Obama camp.

Do everyone a favor and prove where any of what he posted was untrue, a lie, or out of context!

Otherwise, you are pissing in the wind with comments like that!

Somewhat aree, but given the choice of a Pres. Obama with Reid & Pelosi running Congress, I’ll take my chances on McCain; the alternative is too horrible to contemplate, it’d be Jimmy Carter on steroids.

Somewhat aree, but given the choice of a Pres. Obama with Reid & Pelosi running Congress, I’ll take my chances on McCain; the alternative is too horrible to contemplate, it’d be Jimmy Carter on steroids.

I understand, I just think everyone should be totally aware of the who they are voting for and what they will probably do once elected.

We are in for at least 4 miserable years and maybe 8 with the utterly lousy choices we have.

I guess you don’t care that Obama will destroy the entire country.

Dennis Prager really sums it up well, and answers all the objections and questions some conservatives bring up, including this:

“Therefore, as well meaning and sincere as many conservatives are, this mode of thinking — let the country suffer under a left-wing president, Congress, and Supreme Court and then it will come to its conservative senses — will likely lead to a downward spiral from which it is hard to see the country escaping for a generation, if it is lucky.

There is one person who can prevent this unhappy future — John McCain.

He will not raise taxes, the last thing we should be doing in a weakened economy.

He will reduce government spending, and thereby prevent the state from controlling even more of American life.

He will ensure that America wins in Iraq. That will make one of the biggest and richest Arab states the freest of the Arab states. And it will hand Islamic terrorists the biggest defeat they have ever suffered. It will teach potential enemies not to attack America (whether Iraq did so directly is irrelevant to the point). And it will reassure America’s allies around the world, many of whom, as in Iraq, risk their lives for America and liberty, that America will never abandon them.

He will appoint conservatives to the Supreme Court and to federal benches, thereby depriving the left of its most powerful weapon in reshaping America in its image.

He may attract enough Hispanic votes (while securing the borders) to prevent that critical constituency from identifying with the Democratic Party, something that would ensure left-wing victories for decades to come.

He will develop nuclear power, environmentalist (read leftist) opposition to which has been morally indefensible. We would all love to have a solar powered or wind powered country. However, on planet earth at this time, nuclear power may be the cleanest source of energy we have. That is why France, not heretofore known as politically conservative, relies on nuclear power for nearly 80 percent of its electricity.

However noble their intentions, conservatives who do not vote for John McCain will be morally complicit in what happens to America during an Obama presidency.”

It would be hard for me to believe that either one will serve more than 4 years, and in one case, maybe fewer than 4. But 8 is really stretching it considering where this country and economy is headed.

I’m with you. I am not voting for their Democrat with an (R) around it’s neck, no matter the squeals and the rupturing of their bladders.

They can take their La-Raza Gorebot and jump off the nearest cliff.

“Thanks for the heads up about what kind of crap to look out for from the Obama camp.

Do everyone a favor and prove where any of what he posted was untrue, a lie, or out of context!

Otherwise, you are PISSING the wind with comments like that! “

THANK YOU !!!
THANK YOU !!!

THE MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU COME AND TROLL HERE THE MORE COMITTED I BECOME TO STOP BEING THE SILENT MAJORITY.
YOU WILL NOT WIN THIS ONE !!

Again, thanks for the motivation !!

It would be hard for me to believe that either one will serve more than 4 years, and in one case, maybe fewer than 4. But 8 is really stretching it considering where this country and economy is headed.

I hope you are right. I don't think this country can stand more than 4 years of either of them.

We are going to get Amnesty from either of them and that in itself is going to make it even harder for the GOP to win elections in the future given the demographics involved.

Yup,

And if their hero loses it will be all your fault!......

Come to think about it, What was it that Clark Gable said to Scarlet Ohara again? “Frakly my dear, I don’t give a Damn!” (I love that line, it fits them so well.)