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I think Obama has consistently shown he is indifferent to the downside of abortion, lives of innocents who have NO choice or to please his constituency. How anybody with two beautiful daughters like he has and seems to care deeply about, I will never comprehend his thinking with OTHER people's daughters and sons sacrified usually for convenience. A lot of people, even catholics, don't care or care more about other "social" issues. Abortion IS a social issue. I just don't understand, and once I was kind of pro abortion but something changed my mind right quick years ago, thank heaven and may have at least saved a couple of my grandchildrens' lives and my ex's grandchild who turned around and in gratitude for his life that had been spared, was nasty to my daughter (it was my other daughter who I taught abortion was wrong who hid her for a week when she ran away and the school counsellor intervened, but I don't think he knew his grandfather (my ex) wanted to have him aborted and forced her to have another one I didn't know about. His wife did have an abortion for medical reasons, she nearly died having the child before that.

I did mention to a nurse (not in a combative way, she wanted to know what I had against Obama so I told her). She happens to be catholic, gung ho for Obama or Hillary, either one, doesn't like Republicans, that was one of my main objections to him (there are others), despite his charisma. She said they did that in nursing school with babies born without brains or seriously defective, so I didn't argue about it, but think a lot of it is just plain infanticide though I am no professional.

Other people I've mentioned it to just don't seem to care or understand what it truly means. It's frustrating trying to understand that mindset.

My sister is far more educated than I, but I did get her to rethink her stance on pro choice, not necessarily convert her entirely. She said partial birth abortions were for babies who didn't feel anything because some are Down's or have no brains. That is simply not true with all of them and doesn't excuse it anyway AFAIC.

I've lived this in my own life, and keeping a baby and giving it life or putting it up for adoption is a lot harder than just getting rid of a problem. Of course, you never tell children that if you know how close they came and why. I try not to be too hard on them, know personally one who is a mess partly because of that. Her mother, who died a catholic in good standing, paid for an abortion for her sister. I wonder if she ever confessed it, not my business really.

I really don't know many who have had abortions who openly admit it, but some of the ones who have regret it later when it is too late. One girl I met in a mental health program years and years ago whose boyfriend convinced her to get one, was sterile after that. She was very remorseful and bitter. They always remember how old their child would have been. Some just don't seemed bothered by it.

“She said partial birth abortions were for babies who didn’t feel anything because some are Down’s or have no brains. “

This. Abortion is still eugenics. Close to 90% (if not more) parents who get a prenatal diagnosis of downs syndrome abort their babies, and it’s a legal reason in the third trimester.

It makes me want to scream. It has made me cry. To kill your child just because he or she is disabled. To have it written into our laws that these children can be killed when others can’t because of their condition. I was unaware that Downs babies were incapable of feeling pain and I’m still skeptical, I’m pretty sure they can just as much as any baby at that late a stage. But really, it doesn’t matter. If I anesthetize you and cut off your arm against your will, it doesn’t make it any better that I cut off your arm against you will just because it was painless. It is still wrong, wrong, wrong.