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To: Red Steel; pissant; Calpernia

Got the following in an e-mail afew days ago. I’m not a lawyer or an expert on election oe citizenship law. I found it fascinating, but have no way of knowing if there’s anything to it...

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Subject: Obama May Be Illegal To Be Elected President!

This came from a USNA alumnus. It’ll be interesting to see how the media handle this...


Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between December 24, 1952, to November 13, 1986. Federal Law requires that the office of President requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. This is what exempts John McCain, though he was born in the US Panama Canal Zone.

US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama’s birth, but-after-age-16.

In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to be a natural-born citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citizen . . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.

The Constitution clearly declares: Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President. Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other information does not matter because his mother is the one who must fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.

Further, Obama may have had to have remained in the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a glaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Governor Schwarzenegger of California should be very interested in discovering if Obama is allowed to be elected President without being a natural-born U.S. Citizen, since this would set a precedent. Stay tuned to your TV sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through over the next several days.


18 posted on 07/01/2008 1:24:10 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Does it? I have never seen anyone quote the specific law that supposedly said that. Title and section and when was it supposed to have been passed?

32 posted on 07/01/2008 1:41:42 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: smoothsailing

If Obama was born in Hawaii he is a natural born citizen of the United States PERIOD. You need to show that he was not born here to begin with. That is still not proven either way.


47 posted on 07/01/2008 1:51:58 PM PDT by nikos1121 (The first black president of the US should be a Jackie Robinson, not a Jackie come lately.)
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To: smoothsailing
A couple of problems...

...or citizen of Hawaii being a territory...

Hawaii was a state when Obama was born.

US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’

8 USC § 1401, which is (sort of) quoted above, was amended in 1986 to require physical presence in the United States for "a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years..." It also says that "This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date..." It's also worth noting that this subsection (g) only applies to persons born outside of the United States.

In short, unless somebody here can correct my reading of the statute, that means BHO is a natural born citizen no matter where he was born.

I am still curious as to why some seem to think he was not born in Hawaii.

For those interested in the statute, you can get it straight from the US House web site (after scrolling down quite a bit,) or in a more easily readable form from Cornell Law School.

95 posted on 07/01/2008 3:04:36 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: smoothsailing
Yes, I have seen that quoted before as the law of the land in 1961. Now it may well conflict with many assumptions about what a "natural born" citizen is, but it appears that according to the law prevailing in 1961 that even if Obama WAS born in Hawaii or any other US state, he was not a US citizen at birth because his father was not a citizen and with only one parent (his mother) as citizen she needed to have resided in the USA for "minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16"..... it may be a very strange way for the law to have been written, to say that an natural born US citizen who is under the age of 21 may not give birth to a natural born US citizen if the father is not a US citizen, but isn't that what the text of this law implies???? Are there any FReeper lawyers who care to give their analysis of the law prevailing in 1961 on the citizenship status of a baby born to a US citizen mother and a foreign citizen father??

"US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama’s birth, but-after-age-16."

108 posted on 07/01/2008 3:44:32 PM PDT by Enchante (OBAMA: "That's not the Wesley Clark I knew!")
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To: smoothsailing
Did Obama’s mother live in the USA for a grand total of least 5 years (60 months) after she turned 16?

Where does the requirement say that those 5 years (60 months) after the age of 16 have to be accumulated between the age of 16 and 21? (22 actually)

270 posted on 07/02/2008 5:08:11 PM PDT by stlnative (There is no room for B.O. in our White House !)
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