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Hearing in Marine sniper case set [Winnick family asks for prayers]
North County Times ^ | June 30, 2008 | Mark Walker

Posted on 06/30/2008 6:23:40 PM PDT by RedRover

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A message from the Winnick family:

Please pray for Johnny and his defense team, as his Article 32 hearing will be at Camp Pendleton tomorrow. Please pray that everything goes well and the truth is heard. The hearing will likely take 1-2 days (or more) however, we will not know of any definitive answer of any sort for awhile.

Please visit Johnny's Website: JohnnyWinnick.com.

Thanks for all your comments and support!


1 posted on 06/30/2008 6:23:41 PM PDT by RedRover
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2 posted on 06/30/2008 6:25:11 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

Prayers going up for Johnny and his family...


3 posted on 06/30/2008 6:30:03 PM PDT by Defend Our Marine (Thank you Red!)
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To: RedRover

Has anyone seen the trial outcomes on the dozens of insurgents that captures, trotured beheaded and mutilated the bodies of civilians and even women care workers?

Is VC Murtha working on that?


4 posted on 06/30/2008 6:33:05 PM PDT by NoLibZone (All Democrats must be rationed fuel to reduce their hypocrisy about global warming.)
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To: 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...

Ping


5 posted on 06/30/2008 6:36:04 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: RedRover

Thanks for posting, Red.

Prayers for Sgt. Winnick and his family, hopefully charges will be dropped as a result of this Art. 32 hearing.


6 posted on 06/30/2008 6:39:24 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

Prayers Up!


7 posted on 06/30/2008 6:41:14 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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Hiya, DOM! I'm glad to see Capt. Jeff King as the IO. I was wondering where I'd seen that name before. So I checked and found he's on the LtCol Chessani defense team. Fingers crossed that means he will be impartial and open to the truth.
8 posted on 06/30/2008 6:56:21 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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A charging document alleges Winnick used a shotgun to kill an Iraqi civilian named Raid Ahmed. He also is alleged to have killed or caused another to kill Rayson Muhammad on the same day.

A shotgun!?!

Specific details about the shootings that took place at or near Combat Outpost Golden near Lake Tharthar in Iraq's western Anbar province were not available.

I will definitely be interested to hear about the "specific details".

9 posted on 06/30/2008 7:12:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Defend Our Marine

The ridiculous rules of engagement were not written to help and protect Marines. They were written in a way that entraps them and puts their lives in greater danger.


10 posted on 06/30/2008 7:18:51 PM PDT by peeps36 ( Al Gore Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: RedRover

Prayers up for Sgt. Winnick!

This was his FOURTH combat deployment and I have to believe he could tell good guys from bad guys. I’m glad to see he has Gary Myers for his defense attorney. He is a very good attorney from what I can tell.


11 posted on 06/30/2008 7:19:39 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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“A shotgun!?!”

A shotgun, an assault rifle, a claymore mine or whatever — it is all the same to the MSM.


12 posted on 06/30/2008 7:21:09 PM PDT by 353FMG (What marxism and fascism could not destroy, liberalism did.)
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If we're lucky, they'll be some clear signs from the IO tomorrow about the way he's leaning. In any event, they family will almost certainly be twisting in the wind for awhile.

I checked back on the dates in the Justin Sharratt case. The hearing ended on June 15, 2007 with the IO saying the evidence did not support murder charges. But the IO's report (recommending that charges be dropped) wasn't written until July 6. We didn't hear about the contents of the report until July 11. And, finally, the Convening Authority (then Gen Mattis) didn't officially drop the charges until August 9. So that's a little less than two months of waiting even when the IO had already clearly signalled his intentions.

13 posted on 06/30/2008 7:24:16 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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Yes, Myers is about the best there is. He won an acquittal for Capt Medina in the My Lai case as an Army lawyer. And, of course, he set the tone for the whole Haditha case by helping to win the exoneration of Justin Sharratt.

From what I’ve heard, there are no fellow Marines accusing Sgt Winnick. Hard to tell how charges came to be filed in the first place. I suspect he may have failed to get proper permission before shooting or something along those lines. That’s total speculation on my part. We’ll find out tomorrow (I hope).


14 posted on 06/30/2008 7:32:23 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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I suspect he may have failed to get proper permission before shooting or something along those lines.

I initially suspected that, too, until I saw "shotgun". That changes everything. That's close range, and that means you don't seek permission. Sgt Winnick is a seasoned (four tours) combat veteran and should be given every benefit of the doubt. Right off the bat, this case looks like yet another malicious prosecution.

15 posted on 06/30/2008 7:53:49 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover

Praying


16 posted on 06/30/2008 7:56:16 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: RedRover

Thanks for laying that out. I remember it took a long time but had forgotten it was that long. The waiting and not knowing certainly does, as you say, leave them twisting in the wind.


17 posted on 06/30/2008 7:57:00 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Lancey Howard

Agreed about the benefit of the doubt. The shotgun is definitely a WTF for me. Hopefully, the NC Times will be there tomorrow.


18 posted on 06/30/2008 7:57:44 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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I had to ask Justin about the shotgun, and he said they did have them as a back-up weapon. They also used them for shooting the hinges off of doors, then they would kick the door in.


19 posted on 06/30/2008 8:02:29 PM PDT by Defend Our Marine (Thank you Red!)
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A shotgun!?!

Yes, that jumped out at me, as well. Specific details will be interesting.
20 posted on 06/30/2008 8:02:54 PM PDT by Girlene
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